Karma

[btjaus]

[quote="ithaeur"]Found a codestone and a Secret Lab Map today. Sold 'em for a VERY pretty penny. Then a dark faerie comes along, wants a keyring and levels up my pet for just 30np. Cool!

I wonder if this means I'll have bad luck tomorrow (that's usually how karma works, right?)[quote="ithaeur"]

Now before all you mod's tells me to keep it in Gloat n Cry - think about this, if this person was so lucky today, are they really likely to be less likely tomorrow?

In terms of pure chance - its not about being unlucky tomorrow, simply that the chances of getting so many good RE's again the next day would be [low probability] X [low probability] = [very, very low probability].

But does that mean karma is real? Is simply because of the mathematics of chance I outlined above, or is it a real, equalising force?

My tae kwon do instructor always mentions how 'The Universe took my backgammon set, but it gave me a free Ipod Shuffle'. Personally I believe that there is no such thing as karma, but what do you guys think?

[Anoohilator]

I think it's just the chance of one good thing and another bad thing happening likely - or to put it the other way the chances of something good and then everything being good forever are (very) unlikely. Of course the balance isn't always kept and therefore you have mega happy people and then mega bummed out people but in general people are in balance.

[Paul]

I don't believe Karma exists. Bad things happen. Good things happen. C'est la vie.

[DM was on fire!]

I don't believe Karma exists. Bad things happen. Good things happen. C'est la vie.

For once, I agree with him. Oh my.

[o_0]

I don't believe Karma exists. Bad things happen. Good things happen. C'est la vie.

I totally agree with you.

[Trick]

But does that mean karma is real? Is simply because of the mathematics of chance I outlined above, or is it a real, equalising force?

Karma (very) basically is to do with, if you do good things then good things will happen to you; if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you. I'm not really sure how a run of good luck and the probability of things comes in to it?

And the probability of getting good random events is the same as it is every other day, past experiences don't come into it =P

[Tharkun]

Trick's right. Anyway, karma could exist for all I know, but the Rule of Three can't, because the amount of good and evil in the world would be intensifying exponentially.

[bone garden]

I don't know for sure, obviously, but I believe all the random event things are figured out mathamaticaly in neopets (every so many hundred on this page get this one, every so many thousand who click on this page get this one..). In real life however, I do believe that if you do good things, good things will be done back to you, and if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you.

[Paul]

but I believe all the random event things are figured out mathamaticaly in neopets (every so many hundred on this page get this one, every so many thousand who click on this page get this one..)

Duh.

Random Events are a script. A script is basically a very small program. In the sense that when something happens, a small chain of events happens. Like dominos.

For instance:

A (1000th user to a page) --> B (Random Event) --> C (Result of RE (NP In/NP Out))

It is not random at all. I wouldn't know why anyone would suggest that karma has manifested itself into neopets.

[Asthaloth]

You reap what you sow.

You sow the seeds that lead to you losing your home, then it was self inflicted (For example)

Similarly you sow the seeds that lead to you gaining immortality, and ascending to a higher place of being, while at the same time sowing destruction upon those who would oppose you then its a good thing.

Random events however are just that - Random.
Nothing can change the course of events that lead to a volcanoes eruption (For example) - Sure they can delay them, or you can be elswhere through the grace of fate, and sheer random chancem, but it will still happen, and it will still affect hundreds of people...

I'm not entirely certain what my point was now though...

[SpiraLethe]

I don't believe in karma. Nor do I believe that "good" and "bad" are things that exist out in the world. It's what we make of it.

(No, I'm not a nihilist.)

[Kugetsu]

Pretty much what Spira said. Good and bad are things that we, as humans, made up on our own and to each person it means something slightly different. I don't really believe in karma or randomness either.

Truthfully, nothing is truely "random", as there are always numbers or other events that predetermine when another event or action is going to happen. We may not be able to predict when something happens or explain why, but there's always something that leads up to it, making it not random.

Karma? I think everything we do has *some* sort of consequence, but at the same time, I believe it's caused by what you do (good or bad), but not by some other "force". Good things can cause bad results eventually and bad things can cause positive results. You can be "good" your entire life, and then a torrent of negatives things can still befall you in the end.

[btjaus]

But does that mean karma is real? Is simply because of the mathematics of chance I outlined above, or is it a real, equalising force?

Karma (very) basically is to do with, if you do good things then good things will happen to you; if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you. I'm not really sure how a run of good luck and the probability of things comes in to it?

And the probability of getting good random events is the same as it is every other day, past experiences don't come into it =P

The 'karma' user who unwittingly started this debate simply stated that he might get bad luck the next day because of the fact that he got good luck today - a simple statement of causality - and that is the assumption that Karma takes, the 'luck' or 'chance' or 'good things' have an element of causality, balance or overpowering force governing them.

If the probability of getting a random event on a page is, say, 0.0025, then each time you go to that page, you have .25 of a percent chance of getting a random event.

According to the product rule of probability, the chance of getting sequential events - eg. if you go to that page twice in a row you'll get it both times, is 0.0025 X 0.0025, which is actually 0.00000625.

So the chance of each happening individually, is 0.0025, but the chance of getting two in a row is so much less - 0.00000625. Of course - I don't know TNT's real numbers, this is just conjecture, but it works no matter the chance.

It isnt about past events - it's about the chance - in the future - of getting two of the same events in a row. For our originally quoted user, to get such good RE's, on two consecutive days, would be quite amazing - and that's why I brought in the mathematics.

I don't know for sure, obviously, but I believe all the random event things are figured out mathamaticaly in neopets (every so many hundred on this page get this one, every so many thousand who click on this page get this one..). In real life however, I do believe that if you do good things, good things will be done back to you, and if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you.

Several users have said basically the same thing - that it isnt about a run of good luck, but what you do, good or bad.

But all things in life also have a mathematical chance... so how can Karma apply there - and if you do good things, who 'decides' good things will happen to you?

I think there is no such thing in Karma - it's all in your mind.

[Trick]

The chance of getting the exact same random event twice in a row may be that, but the chance of getting good REs on any particular day has nothing to do with what REs you got the day before - that would be gamblers folly So it wouldn't be amazing at all.

I still don't see what it has to do with karma - karma is about events happening due to your own behaviour, not random occurrences. Good luck one day won't dictate luck the next.

And if you believe in karma there is no "who", it's all about balance.

[Keylia]

I agree with Kugetsu on this 100%. If there was 'karma' then everything would be fair in the world and there would be no need for any judicial system, which we can all see is clearly not true.