For first time, chimps seen making weapons for hunting
Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:22 am
Chimpanzees living in the West African savannah have been observed fashioning deadly spears from sticks and using the tools to hunt small mammals -- the first routine production of deadly weapons ever observed in animals other than humans.
We're screwed now
Link to article.
We're screwed now
Link to article.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:24 am
Hmm.
Time to get the Elephant guns I reckon.
Time to get the Elephant guns I reckon.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:54 am
wow thats actually pretty amazing. Maybe someday they will evolve into humans and we will evolve into something else and that something else will study humans as if they were monkeys. It might even be happening now 
Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:56 am
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They won't evolve into humans because they are taking a differant evolutionary path than us.
And their cousins, not parents.
They won't evolve into humans because they are taking a differant evolutionary path than us.
And their cousins, not parents.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:03 am
Ok they probably won't become humans but their evolutionary path can not be very deviant from ours.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:10 am
Errr about three million years removed actually.
Thin a gorilla, that is the apex of... monkey evolution (That makes no sense to me, so I hope you know what I'm getting at) Big, heavily built, but still lithe enough to live in trees (Helped by having four hands mind)
Humans were kicked out of the forest and forced onto the Savannah by global alterations to temperature (They were going up, just before an Ice age.. Gee, that sounds familiar) and we were forced to adapt to a new environment, hence we became upright.
Our simian buddies however, remained in the trees, their numbers fell and their evolution stagnated.
What we did in a few millenia, they have only just achieved.
Thin a gorilla, that is the apex of... monkey evolution (That makes no sense to me, so I hope you know what I'm getting at) Big, heavily built, but still lithe enough to live in trees (Helped by having four hands mind)
Humans were kicked out of the forest and forced onto the Savannah by global alterations to temperature (They were going up, just before an Ice age.. Gee, that sounds familiar) and we were forced to adapt to a new environment, hence we became upright.
Our simian buddies however, remained in the trees, their numbers fell and their evolution stagnated.
What we did in a few millenia, they have only just achieved.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:44 am
Dang they're gonna kill us.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:50 am
Setekh wrote:Errr about three million years removed actually.
i am not talking about time. i am talking about the evolution itself. What is changing in them.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:58 am
Ah sorry. 
Well, for starters they are a long way behind us (Not just time wise) their brains are smaller and less well developed, although I would hazard that they have achieved sentience, which while being a major disadvantage means they have more resources to devote elsewhere.
Mind is a wonderful thing, but it comes at a price, one on one a greater ape could kick the smurf of any human without breaking a sweat, ofcourse our mind means such occurances rarely happen without the aid of backup and tools (IE: guns).
That they are using tools however suggests that their inquisitive nature is finally beginning to pay off, and if they are able to make a balance between muscle and mind (We never got the opportunity, with us it was Evolve now OR DIE!1!!1!!, whereas the apes of able to be a little more careful) then they could deffinetly begin to oppose us in the fight for dominance.
Assuming we don't recognise them as a threat and Napalm them into oblivion I mean, which is rather unlikely.
In other words, they could easily surpass us in mind and power, but the likely hood is minimal, we have too much of a head start on them, and we don't like to share.
Well, for starters they are a long way behind us (Not just time wise) their brains are smaller and less well developed, although I would hazard that they have achieved sentience, which while being a major disadvantage means they have more resources to devote elsewhere.
Mind is a wonderful thing, but it comes at a price, one on one a greater ape could kick the smurf of any human without breaking a sweat, ofcourse our mind means such occurances rarely happen without the aid of backup and tools (IE: guns).
That they are using tools however suggests that their inquisitive nature is finally beginning to pay off, and if they are able to make a balance between muscle and mind (We never got the opportunity, with us it was Evolve now OR DIE!1!!1!!, whereas the apes of able to be a little more careful) then they could deffinetly begin to oppose us in the fight for dominance.
Assuming we don't recognise them as a threat and Napalm them into oblivion I mean, which is rather unlikely.
In other words, they could easily surpass us in mind and power, but the likely hood is minimal, we have too much of a head start on them, and we don't like to share.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:14 am
We have a headstart but we are also evolving. That has to be concidered as well in these things. In order to surpass us they would need to catch up thousands of years and during that time we also evolve.
As you also mentioned we do not like to share. We would most likely not let it happen if it did.
As you also mentioned we do not like to share. We would most likely not let it happen if it did.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:21 am
Our evolution has become a bit stagnated as well actually.
It may sound odd, but all this medical technology and Civilisation means that genes are getting rather dilluted, and weak ones persist along with the strong.
Ofcourse, in our supreme brilliance / Arrogance we have developed ways of artificially causing Evolution*, and while we don't quite have it sussed (Primarily due to moral and theological implications might I add) it won't be long.
*: Genetic engineering and Nano-technology, both of which are closer than many seem to realise.
It may sound odd, but all this medical technology and Civilisation means that genes are getting rather dilluted, and weak ones persist along with the strong.
Ofcourse, in our supreme brilliance / Arrogance we have developed ways of artificially causing Evolution*, and while we don't quite have it sussed (Primarily due to moral and theological implications might I add) it won't be long.
*: Genetic engineering and Nano-technology, both of which are closer than many seem to realise.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:26 am
Setekh wrote:Hmm.
Time to get the Elephant guns I reckon.
You want to give elephants GUNS?!?!?!
Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:43 am
shapu wrote:Setekh wrote:Hmm.
Time to get the Elephant guns I reckon.
You want to give elephants GUNS?!?!?!
Wouldn't giving guns to elephants would them more dangerous as well as also bring the possibility that they could accidentally kill someone or some their own herd with the guns?
*Pictures elephants with guns in their trunks shooting in random directions*
Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:44 am
shapu wrote:Setekh wrote:Hmm.
Time to get the Elephant guns I reckon.
You want to give elephants GUNS?!?!?!
No silly they're...
Eeeeenteresting.
Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:44 am
shapu wrote:Setekh wrote:Hmm.
Time to get the Elephant guns I reckon.
You want to give elephants GUNS?!?!?!
Why do I laugh out loud at everything you say, shapu?
Why can't I just lead a normal, non-spontaneous laughter inducing life? Why?