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The teacher's job is to teach, not keeping the students under control.


That would be nice. Unfortunately (and this seems to be most common among 7th and 8th graders according my my mom, also a teacher) some classrooms develop the "mob mentality" and require keeping under control or else the teacher can't even do her job. You're supposed to pay attention to him/her and not your friends.



True. Sometimes being able to keep the class under control makes teaching them easier. But some teachers really don't know how to control the class. We had one last year that had this huge piece of wood and slammed it on her desk 3454 times. Drove us insane. She got fired though, and stabbed by one of the students.

Another example of teachers that can't control. I spent most of my time in primary school alone in a corner. Not allowed to talk to anyone or go outside during lunch. Because I talked too much. Honestly, PRIMARY SCHOOL, and a little kid like me that "talks to much"..

All it did was turn me into a mean violent person when I was allowed to socialise with the other kids.


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She got fired though, and stabbed by one of the students.


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Yea, I've had a few teachers like that. But nowadays I have some pretty awesome teachers who put their students before anything else and will always listen to what you have to say. They'll do anything in their power to help you out. ^-^ So with teachers like that, I'm sure to have a pretty good senior year.


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Hmm... none of my teachers are really like that at all - most of them are thankful to be corrected, as long as we're polite, and in math we get extra credit for it. Most of the problems I've had with teachers is when they're unpredictable or biased. *shrugs*

And the teachers in my district are terribly underpaid.


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I don't think they're that underpaid, one of my old ones has stables and stuff...

But then, she was the head of English..probably got paid more for that...


'Course, there's always the whole rich relatives/husband thing, or just living beyond your means/denial...


I suppose...but she's need a good income to keep horses and a big house and stuff though, wouldn't she...?


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I suppose...but she's need a good income to keep horses and a big house and stuff though, wouldn't she...?


Well, not necessarily. I mean, she could have been better paid than most, but there are certainly a lot of other explainations. ::shrugs:: Not the best argument for me to get into, as I don't know her or anything, but it's just a thought.


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I agree, some teachers are a pain, but even my Maths teacher (annoying for one of a better word 0:) ) says "thanks" if someone points out a mistake on the board. I even got a laugh out of her a few times :o

Just recently there was trouble involving me and another lad (he wanted the bench my friends and I were sitting on, so he ripped my shirt off me :o ) and the deputy head was really cool with it, most teachers at our school are like that.

I guess we need to think about what teachers do for us. Sometimes they'll stay behind to help us with coursework/homework/class work, or give up their lunchtimes.

If you see the amount of marking some of them have to do (I know this from experience, my dad is a Maths teacher himself) then I guess you'd understand why they might seem a little ticked off at times.

All I'm saying is teachers deserve our respect. After all they are the ones preparing us for the rest of our lives.

Note: all the above will probably go down the drain once I get back to school tomorrow :P


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She got fired though, and stabbed by one of the students.


Hmm.


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Surprisinly enough, teachers don't get paid that much money. They are actually quite underpaid in my opinion. They are there because they want to teach you and your classmates.
Unless it works differently at your school, they aren't there to settle arguments between students, either. That is the Principal's job {assuming that it's a big enough issue that he/she needs to deal with it in the first place}.


So what? Does them being underpaid justify the way they treat students?


Not all teachers treat students horribly. But in some cases, being underpaid probably contributes to the problem. And, quite honestly, with some students, I'm shocked teachers manage not to strangle them.


Nobody here said all teachers treat students horribly. The teacher's job is to teach, not keeping the students under control. (One of my teachers told me that today. :) )


It is part of the teachers job to look after the kids in their class when there parents aren't around, so they stll have to keep them under controll, for their own saftey and others. ;)

Teachers are not all bad, as explained at the bottom of my last post, but some are.


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I think a lot depends on the class size and quality. Some teachers might seem better than others simply because the students in the class are bright and motivated. Now and then you'll have a really good teacher who can make even the most unacademic, apathetic delinquent enjoy learning American history. But such teachers are not common. There are also some teachers, that couldn't even make a small honors class fun for a budding intellectual. Those are the teachers who, for one reason or another, do not have a very high opinion of students in general, and always seem dictatorial and/or condescending.

I go to a small, independent private school, and I've been really lucky with my high school teachers. My English teacher conducts our classes, usually about 18 people, in seminar style, such as you might have in your junior and senior years of college. (She even has us sit in a circle.) And my math teacher has been treating my class, which has ranged from 8 to 14 students in 5 years, like college students since 7th grade.

A teacher's salary at a private school, I am told, is slightly lower than at a public school. However, the teachers at my school and others like it say that they would much rather teach at private than public school, because the classes are smaller and the kids are more manageable and they can really get into the subject matter. So my teachers care more about being able to interact with their students than getting paid an extra few grand a year.


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Most teachers I've had are like that.
Normal teachers are underpaid, probably. But my uncle is a teacher, and he gets paid over $85 an hour.. Then again, he teaches classes with violent-minded kids who have been arrested with armed gaurds in the back of the classes. And he's been wanting to retire for years. So theres the reason. But for normal teachers, nearly everyone in my family was a teacher on my dads side, and they are all happy and rich now, and they haven't worked in years.


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Most teachers I've had are like that.
Normal teachers are underpaid, probably. But my uncle is a teacher, and he gets paid over $85 an hour.. Then again, he teaches classes with violent-minded kids who have been arrested with armed gaurds in the back of the classes. And he's been wanting to retire for years. So theres the reason. But for normal teachers, nearly everyone in my family was a teacher on my dads side, and they are all happy and rich now, and they haven't worked in years.


poor uncle! I didn't knoe some teachers could get paid that much!


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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.


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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.


If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


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