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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:40 am 
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The question is not is X, Y, Z healthy, but do I and my alloted 70 years care enough to worry?

I don't, I'll either die or become all powerful (No middle ground here) and either way it makes abso-friggin-lutely no difference in the long run.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:53 pm 
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I think that when people hear radiation they automaticaly think of same type of radiation that you get from nuclear power plants or nuclear bombs. But the radiation that your microwave emits is different. Its just like visible light, infrared, radio waves, low frequency RF and static fields, and I think its called non-ionizing or something like that.

Im pretty sure cordless phones, motion detectors, radar and Wi-Fi all use microwave radiation, not just your microwave oven.

Microwave radiation does not have enough energy to destabalize atoms. Basicaly it only has enough energy to excite molecules. When you stick your food in the microwave, the radiation excites the water molecules causing heat, and your food to cook. yay!

So in short, I think you are pretty safe unless you crawl into a giant microwave and turn it on.


I agree, but it's just something that there isn't too much evidence on and people tend to fret about. For example, there is much controversy with cellphones and whether they affect your health. I personally feel I'd like to tend to be safer than sorry with these things, so I usually follow the 1-m away from the microwave rule. I'm not sure if how many people know this, but you can actually hard-boil an egg by putting it between two mobile phones. Mobile Cooking


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:10 pm 
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I'm not sure its possible to count how many people know you're wrong without the aid of an indian super-boy or a calculator.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:22 pm 
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I'm not sure its possible to count how many people know you're wrong without the aid of an indian super-boy or a calculator.


I should probably stop listening to my science teacher, then. :P


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:17 pm 
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http://www.hoax-slayer.com/cook-egg-mobile-phones.shtml

conclusion: "So, although this story has spread far and wide, and some of the sites on which it has been published still claim it to be true, in reality, it has no basis in fact. You cannot cook an egg with a pair of mobile phones."

http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/2767

conclusion: The Myth Busters programme tried to cook an egg, once, using 100 phones. Perhaps the phones turned themselves off, because the egg didn't cook on that occasion. Or perhaps the PC in the background of the photograph was hot, and the fan was blowing on the egg. Or maybe it was a joke.

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/04/ho ... gg_wi.html

conclusion: Cell phones communicate with the cell tower, not each other. The egg shouldn't be between the phones, it should be between the phone(s) and the tower for this to even have a snowballs chance in hell of working.

http://www.joewein.net/hoax/hoax-cook-e ... lphone.htm

conclusion: if all the energy used by the cell phone was converted into microwave energy (a lot of the electricity warms the silicon in the electronics and the display and thus just warms the handset) and all that energy were to radiate *only* at the egg and in no other direction, the egg would barely reach body temperature before the battery goes dead.


Conclusion: You are wrong, I am right.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:29 am 
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http://www.hoax-slayer.com/cook-egg-mobile-phones.shtml

conclusion: "So, although this story has spread far and wide, and some of the sites on which it has been published still claim it to be true, in reality, it has no basis in fact. You cannot cook an egg with a pair of mobile phones."

http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/2767

conclusion: The Myth Busters programme tried to cook an egg, once, using 100 phones. Perhaps the phones turned themselves off, because the egg didn't cook on that occasion. Or perhaps the PC in the background of the photograph was hot, and the fan was blowing on the egg. Or maybe it was a joke.

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/04/ho ... gg_wi.html

conclusion: Cell phones communicate with the cell tower, not each other. The egg shouldn't be between the phones, it should be between the phone(s) and the tower for this to even have a snowballs chance in hell of working.

http://www.joewein.net/hoax/hoax-cook-e ... lphone.htm

conclusion: if all the energy used by the cell phone was converted into microwave energy (a lot of the electricity warms the silicon in the electronics and the display and thus just warms the handset) and all that energy were to radiate *only* at the egg and in no other direction, the egg would barely reach body temperature before the battery goes dead.


Conclusion: You are wrong, I am right.


I had already known that from the last post, I do know how to google. :P


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:57 pm 
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Regina Reichardt wrote:
Scientists of the CEBAS-CSIC Research Institute at the University of Murcia, Spain, found out that microwaves can destroy nutrients in foods, especially so-called antioxidants ... Steaming is by far the healthiest way to prepare vegetables – and microwaving the worst.


Is microwaved food unhealthy?


Not so fast there. Much of that is just guesswork or false.Straight Dope. There is no actual proof of most of that.

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Probably your friends are getting worked up over nothing, but this is one subject where you want to resist sweeping pronouncements. On its face, antimicrowave propaganda (you'll find loads of it on the Web) is none too persuasive--some of these people have yet to comprehend the crucial distinction between ionizing and nonionizing radiation. (Ionizing radiation is the nuclear, i.e., dangerous, kind, which includes X rays, gamma rays, etc; nonionizing is everything else, e.g., microwaves, not to mention light.) When you dig into the research, though, you realize the controversy isn't all hooey. On the contrary, what we've got here is one of the great coal-mine fires of science--an argument that, in this case, has been smoldering for 50 years without resolution. Unexpected recent developments, though, make me think we may get to the bottom of this pup yet.


As to plastics leaching chemicals, they'll do it regardless of whether you nuke them. The plastic bottle you drink out of? Leaching chemicals into the liquid. All of this stuff is basically propaganda scare tactics to make you nervous about stuff whoever's writing or reporting about it doesn't know anything more than we do. True scientific research is still trying to find out what and if there is any danger to plastics or microwaves causing diseases. Both plastics and microwaves have been around long enough that any kind of distinct or definite threat from normal use ought to have shown up in the general population by now.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
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That safe water you're drinking?
The direct cause of reduced fertility in the last fifty years amongst males.

It really wont make much difference about now, we've (Probably, at any rate) adapted to most anything in drinking water by now.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
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I'll stick to my tap water, thank you. As for microwaved food, I'm going to learn how to cook without one. That's not for health reasons, that's just because you can make so much more great food.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:18 pm 
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Not so fast there. Much of that is just guesswork or false. Straight Dope. There is no actual proof of most of that.


http://www.susansolomonmd.com/microwave_menace.html

I'd rather believe an MD over some random guy on the internet. I mean, really.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:07 pm 
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Paul wrote:
http://www.susansolomonmd.com/microwave_menace.html

I'd rather believe an MD over some random guy on the internet. I mean, really.

Hogwash. Humans are not 97% water, free radicals are not produced in microwaves (nor do they necessarily cause cancer), and if the Soviet Union did indeed ban microwaves in 1976, I cannot find one reliable source that tells me so. She may be an MD, but she's no researcher.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:55 am 
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Paul wrote:
http://www.susansolomonmd.com/microwave_menace.html

I'd rather believe an MD over some random guy on the internet. I mean, really.

Hogwash. Humans are not 97% water, free radicals are not produced in microwaves (nor do they necessarily cause cancer), and if the Soviet Union did indeed ban microwaves in 1976, I cannot find one reliable source that tells me so. She may be an MD, but she's no researcher.


Huh? So? You could say the same about religion. I'm pretty sure there are no reliable sources which tells me Jesus fed the five thousand with five loaves and two fish, walking on water or turning wine into water.


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 Post subject: Re: is microwaved food unhealthy?
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That would be down to false interpretation of metophorical written word.
And turning water into (Foul, nasty) wine is possible.


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To be honest paul, I don't agree with you:

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In November 2004 Dr. Solomon had a spiritual awakening that catapulted her training to include Energy Medicine modalities, including Reiki. Dr. Solomon is a Reiki Master having studied 'Reiki with the Angels' under Ellen Wheeler.


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To be honest paul, I don't agree with you:

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In November 2004 Dr. Solomon had a spiritual awakening that catapulted her training to include Energy Medicine modalities, including Reiki. Dr. Solomon is a Reiki Master having studied 'Reiki with the Angels' under Ellen Wheeler.


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I'm pretty sure Monks have spiritual awakenings. Monks are cool, they made beer, you know.


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