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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:12 pm 
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Starchaser wrote:
Okay, let's explain it simply.

Lincoln died on, what? A Friday? Let's say so.
So Kennedy could have died on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. The odds of him dying on the same day as Lincoln are 1/7. If Lincoln died on a Tuesday, a Thursday, or a Saturday, it wouldn't matter - the odds would still be the same. Have you done probability yet in math class?


Whatever, I don't even feel like debating my point anymore @_@; And yes, I have. I still don't see why it would be 1/7, though.


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The Spanish Channel news said they saw Satans face in the WTC attacks which is why i don't watch it.

You don't watch that channel because they claimed someone saw Satan's face on that day during the attacks? I'm sure you could see Satan's face in the smoke. With an unhealthy amount of imagination, you can see everything in clouds/smoke.



They were claiming it was true, and pretty much using it as an oppurtunity to make it seem like unless you belive in God you're gonna die.


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Well if you think logically, the proababilty that Licoln died on a Friday is 1/7. The probability that Kennedy died on a Friday was 1/7. However, to get the probability that they both died on the same day of the week you'd have to multiply these two together and therefore it would become 1/49. The chances of that happening is significantly reduced.


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Starchaser wrote:
Okay, let's explain it simply.

Lincoln died on, what? A Friday? Let's say so.
So Kennedy could have died on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. The odds of him dying on the same day as Lincoln are 1/7. If Lincoln died on a Tuesday, a Thursday, or a Saturday, it wouldn't matter - the odds would still be the same. Have you done probability yet in math class?


Whatever, I don't even feel like debating my point anymore @_@; And yes, I have. I still don't see why it would be 1/7, though.


Because there is 7 days in a week.
It would be 2/49 though, right, according to your theory? Because two people died, and your multiplying fractions...
Lowest terms is 1/24.5 which makes no sence, so I don't see how the whole 49 thing works.


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Simple Probability.
seven days.
one person has a 1 in 7 chance of dying on any given day.
(7)
the second person has a 1 in 7 chance of dying on the any given day, but a 1/7 * 1/7 chance of dying on the same day.
7*7 is 49.
if that fails, roll some dice.


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Ummm, let me put this in simpler ways.

There are 49 possibilities.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a monday.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a tuesday.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a wednesday.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a thursday.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a friday.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a saturday.
The is a proabability out of the 49 that both will be on a sunday.

7/49.
1/7.


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ummm.
no.
1/49 that they will both be on any given day.
not 7/49.

edit: lemme give an example from warhammer.

a Space marine terminator with standard equipment needs a 6 on a D6 to hit a monolith.
it then needs a 6 to damage it.
and another 6 to destroy it.

so, 1/6 to hit.
1/6 to damage.
1/6 to destroy.

those need to be timesed out to get the total probability.

1/6 * 1/6 =1/36
1/36 * 1/6 = 1/216
Total chance is 1/216


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But we're not asking for the probability that both will be on one particular day, like Wednesday. The question is asking for any particular day. From that stems 6 more possibilities.


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The reason I said 1/49 was because, out of a total of 14 days, 7 days to a week and there are two week, there are 49 combonations of days.

If Lincoln died on Sunday - Kennedy could've died on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

And so on with Lincoln dying every other day of the week.

Dranzer is right, there is a 1/7 chance that they died on the same day.

Lincoln died on Sunday - Kennedy died on Sunday
Lincoln died on Monday - Kennedy died on Monday
Lincoln died on Tuesday - Kennedy died on Tuesday
Lincoln died on Wednesday - Kennedy died on Wednesday
Lincoln died on Thursday - Kennedy died on Thursday
Lincoln died on Friday - Kennedy died on Friday
Lincoln died on Saturday - Kennedy died on Saturday

There is a 1/49 chance they both died on a Sunday, a 1/49 chance the both died on a Monday, ect. Then you get 7/49 = 1/7 chance they died on the same day.

There is a 1/7 chance they died on the same day, but there is a 1/49 chance they both died on a Friday.

Edit: Dranzer beat me to it, darn it...


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im not seeing you logic in this to be honest?
i'll have a looksie in the morning, to late for me to work out what you saying right now.

edit: your not timesing the 49's out.
unless my memory has gone totally whacked on me, you need to times it out, unless your asking some totally stupid question that i cant fathom at this hour?!


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Well, I think Kennedy is the reincarnation of Licoln


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Ok...we all agree there is a 1/49 chance they both die on a Friday right ? The odds of one dying on a Fridan are 1/7, the odds of two dying on a Friday are 1/7 * 1/7 = 1/49

Odds of them both dying on a Friday = 1/49
Odds of them both dying on a Saturday = 1/49
Odds of them both dying on a Sunday = 1/49
Odds of them both dying on a Monday = 1/49
Odds of them both dying on a Tuesday = 1/49
Odds of them both dying on a Wednesday = 1/49
Odds of them both dying on a Thursday = 1/49

Add them all together and you get 7/49

Simply that and you get 1/7


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*Nods Furiously*

Or there is another way to explain.

The question requires the two days to match up with each other,right? That would mean one is determined and the other would have to match up. Therefore, those who believe it is 1/49 have their numbers wrong. It isn't 1/7 x 1/7. Its 1/1 x 1/7. The first day is chosen, and then second has to try and match up. Threefore it doesn't MATTER which day the first was shot.

If you have any other doubts, try a tree diagram ~_^

And if I recall, Snopes had given the probsbility for the presidents to die on the same day, NOT just Friday.


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Look, here are the possibilities for day of dying:
Monday and Monday
Monday and Tuesday
Monday and Wednesday
Monday and Thursday
Monday and Friday
Monday and Saturday
Monday and Sunday
Tuesday and Monday
Tuesday and tuesday
Tuesday and wednesday
Tuesday and thursday
Tuesday and friday
Tuesday and saturday
Tuesday and sunday
wednesday and monday
wednesday and tuesday
wednesday and wednesday
wednesday and thursday
wednesday and friday
wednesday and saturday
wednesday and sunday
thursday and monday
thursday and tuesday
thursday and wednesday
thursday and thursday
thursday and friday
thursday and saturday
thursday and sunday
friday and monday
friday and tuesday
friday and wednesday
friday and thursday
friday and friday
friday and saturday
friday and sunday
saturday and monday
saturday and tuesday
saturday and wednesday
saturday and thursday
saturday and friday
saturday and saturday
saturday and sunday
sunday and monday
sunday and tuesday
sunday and wednesday
sunday and thursday
sunday and friday
sunday and saturday
sunday and sunday

where the first day is when Lincoln dies and the second day is when Kennedy dies. There are 49 possibilities. 7 of which are the same day
7/49 is the same as 1/7!


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