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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:16 pm 
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ok, so i have this language arts teacher and shes really mean. she goes and sayd stuff and jumps to conclusions, she was like "who hasnt found a poem?" (i found one, but it was to short) so i raised my hand ans she was like GEEZ YOU GUYS ARE SLACKING OFF!!! and she always gives us detentions and stuff when she could just call another teacher and ask where that student was..

then when i get attacked by the guy infront of me im like "AH! hes atacking me" and everyone BUT her looks up and sees him w me with his book.. i cant stand her, shes all like "o language arts is so important, its more important then chemistry and algebra and (insert other things here)", when im pretty sure im not going to use LA in my career, im wanna be like a science teacher(ok, it uses it.. but its not solely based on it) or an artist.. depends on what one i feel like.....so yea

me and like 3 other people thought about going to the principal, but we didnt want to because our bus comes early so we cant, but yea.. so uhm... yea... what should i do.. go to the principal or just live thru yet another year of bad LA teachers?


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Maybe she is just tense because here it is only like a few weeks into school, benchmark exams are coming up, her class seems out of her control, and she has a boss breathing down her neck that all the students must be "at grade level" and they must do good on benchmarks. Maybe she is even on merit based pay, although I think that is something they are only trying in a few places. Anyway, teachers have a lot of stress actually. I never knew this when I was a kid because I thought teachers just liked being mean, picking on certain students, and basically reveling in there power over everyone. How hard can it possibly be to just stand there and talk, shout a few directions now and then, and assign homework? I never knew they had standards they had to live up to, meetings to attend, angry parents to apease, and that they were often under a lot of stress, underpaid and over worked.

You really don't know what she may be going through. Anyway, if you really want to help, you should try to understand her feelings as well. There could actually be a lot going on you might not be aware of.
There are a lot of rules to teaching and the rules seem to change all the time. Often teachers have certain guidelines they must adhere to. You may think a teacher can just go in and teach any way he or she desires, and that they can do whatever and say whatever they want. But actually this is more a thing of the past these days. Teachers do not have the freedom they used to have. They have to teach "by the book" basically.

If you have a grievence with a certain teacher you and more than just you, but others in your class need to get together and in very good grammar present the situation to the principal or dean or whoever.

It can be like this:

Dear Dean/Principal, ect.

On the day of ______ our teacher Mrs. ______ seemed inattentive to my needs. A student named ______ hit me with a book, which the teacher did not seem to notice. When I called out that I was being hit with a book, the teacher did not comment, perhaps thinking the situation would resolve itself. Other examples of behaviours which we have noted lately that does not lead to a productive and stress free learning environment are as follows. On the day of ______ it was noted by several classmates of mine that _____ occured. We feel this could have been handled better if the teacher had done ____ but instead she did ______.

If you really want to file a grievence with a teacher I think it would help a lot to have witnesses go with you, provide dates that certain events occured, and also write what was happening before hand, what lead to the event occuring, and what was done and what was not done. Try to enter the office area with a serious attitude, not everyone talking at once. Just tell the administrator that several students and yourself wish to talk to someone in charge. Try to use a lot of "I statements". Instead of saying the teacher did this..the teacher did that...it would be better if you say "I feel this...at the time I felt that.." Such as "At the time this happened I felt as if my needs were not being met adequately." Would be better than saying "The teacher totally ignores me, she doesn't even care." Also offer solutions, "I feel that it would have been better if this had happened." Or "A solution to this problem may have been _____" And I would try to throw in some good things about the teacher as well. "I understand that she might be stressed about benchmarks. Or perhaps she was inattentive because she thought we were mature enough to resolve our own conflict." Ect. Anyway presenting both sides of the issue would probably be better if you decide to follow through on reporting a teacher.


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shes all like "o language arts is so important, its more important then chemistry and algebra and (insert other things here)", when im pretty sure im not going to use LA in my career, im wanna be like a science teacher(ok, it uses it.. but its not solely based on it) or an artist.. depends on what one i feel like.....so yea


Language arts is very important. Good luck getting a job if your resume sounds like 'i wood like this job becuz i wood be gud at it'. Grammatical skills are important in any profession, whether you're the President or a zookeeper.


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I'm going to make this very short seeing as I am a teacher and don't really want to start arguing about my job. I come here to get away from my job :P

Anyway, my two thoughts. First, if you are having a problem with your teacher, I would go to the teacher first. Take the initiative to fix the problem yourself first. Classes these days are overcrowded, schools and teachers don't have the supplies they need, and there are a lot of other things that students don't take into consideration.

Let's take something that you mentioned in your post and see what you could have done differently in the situation. You said that another student in the class "attacked you". Now, I wasn't there, so I obviously don't know what happened. Something you could have done is to wait and talk to the teacher after class, tell her what exactly happened, say that you would like your seat moved away from this person for the time being (perhaps permanently), and then ask for a pass to your next class.

The only other thing I'm going to say right now is that while you may not appreciate language arts right now, it is one of the most important classes you will ever take. Communication is something that is used in every day life, no matter what your profession. I personally find it amazing that about half of adult Americans (if not more) cannot read a newspaper. I know that I wouldn't want to be part of that statistic.


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I personally find it amazing that about half of adult Americans (if not more) cannot read a newspaper. I know that I wouldn't want to be part of that statistic.


Are you... serious?

Oh... wow. 50% of adults are idiots*.

*Idiot: With a mental age of or less than that of a three-year-old.


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From a poll "brought to light" by CNN, an even greater amount don't know the importance of the Bill of Rights, and a greater many believe that newspapers should be checked by the government and have the content approved before they're published. The polls were conducted in some universities, and I'm not simply being biased towards Americans because I am one.

Anyways, regarding the topic: you should definitely deal with it. You should try to attain the most comfortable learning environment possible, and being with a teacher you find such an annoyance that you feel it notable enough to talk about online warrants you trying to get transferred to another class. If you feel that simply "learning to deal with it" will be too much to ask of yourself, or if you feel or know that your performance in that class will notably suffer, you should at least speak out to the proper persons (principal, counselor, et cetera) about your displeasure. If that doesn't work, perhaps getting your parents involved. Some moms and dads really know how to raise hell when their children are at least supposedly being treated unfairly or not being given due attention.

Remember that your education is important enough for your effort, so this case if you feel that the "detraction/distraction" is notable enough to warrant it. This isn't the question of who gets the last popsicle, this is the question the answer of which may have your grade at stake.


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From a poll "brought to light" by CNN, an even greater amount don't know the importance of the Bill of Rights, and a greater many believe that newspapers should be checked by the government and have the content approved before they're published. The polls were conducted in some universities, and I'm not simply being biased towards Americans because I am one.


It's.... political sacreligion. That's the only way I can put it.


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alien wrote:
shes all like "o language arts is so important, its more important then chemistry and algebra and (insert other things here)", when im pretty sure im not going to use LA in my career, im wanna be like a science teacher(ok, it uses it.. but its not solely based on it) or an artist.. depends on what one i feel like.....so yea


Language arts is very important. Good luck getting a job if your resume sounds like 'i wood like this job becuz i wood be gud at it'. Grammatical skills are important in any profession, whether you're the President or a zookeeper.
well im not stupid, i can spell, and i can spell really.. well.. good.. w/e it is.. im tired.. but yea, im one of the top in her class, i know everything shes teaching already, and my resume thing would be like "I would like to have this job because I like children, I have alot of patience, and I got {insert SAT score here} on my {insert SAT here}"


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What is language arts? I've never heard of that before.


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What is language arts? I've never heard of that before.


Uh, sort of like English? ^^;


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zorg wrote:
What is language arts? I've never heard of that before.


pl.n.

    The subjects, including reading, spelling, and composition, aimed at developing reading and writing skills, usually taught in elementary and secondary school.


The dictionary is a great resource, though one not given sufficient attention to.


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mayanspypilot wrote:
I personally find it amazing that about half of adult Americans (if not more) cannot read a newspaper. I know that I wouldn't want to be part of that statistic.


Are you... serious?

Oh... wow. 50% of adults are idiots*.

*Idiot: With a mental age of or less than that of a three-year-old.


That would be kittens dear.

Anyway, youve got nothing to worry about until your teachers try having you removed from your parents custody.


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I know what you mean about terrible LA teachers.

I agree that LA is important, but once you reach a certain age in high-school, what is taught in the LA classes compared to what a person already knows are leveled off indefinitely. Once I hit high school, though I didn't have terrible teachers (except for one), we didn't learn much, as we would have liked. Either the teachers weren't prepared for us to actually know what we were doing, or they really didn't think we could learn that much more. Then again, the same goes for many classes.

I've gone through hordes of terrible teachers (definitely not limited to LA), but I did have this LA teacher in high school. She was one of those teachers that would act like you're their favorite student ever, but would be critical of just about every move you make. She wouldn't even let me turn in my research project because I was missing a single period in my Works Cited page. I had to go back home, fix the mistake, and take a late grade because of one stupid period that I overlooked. Ended up getting a letter grade lower than I would have if she would have let me turn it in without the period. She always spent too much time trying to be perfect than she did actually thinking about how much tiny things like that are going to make.

Ugh, I had to be reminded of her. e_e

If it's just the teacher and it really isn't that big of a deal, I'd suggest just dealing with her, but if other students are doing as you say they are, it's her responsiblity to see to it that it stops In this case, I would talk to her first, and if it persists, then take it to the principal as she obviously doesn't think it important enough to take note of.


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