Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:24 pm
psyco_chick32, thanks for explaining and showing all that! 
Seerow, I use a CSS file to rid myself of the banner, but Avant as a browser and not sure that works with Ad-Block, nor do I want Ad-Block. I suggest that you head on over to the "Neopets Premium" thread started recently and tell that to those bragging about how the SSW is so great that it has "tripled" their income or made them millions in no time at all. Some are even using the word "advantage" -- how blashphemous, eh? I do NOT think that there are no advantages to Premium, else why sign up?
Cranberry, you really are a piece of work. I have never seen you insult anyone else like that on any forum here. I clicked your link and read what I considered a flawed article to begin with, HENCE why I said I did not see any difference in usage. If Wikipedia is your Bible, then I do worry a little. What it sounds like you are saying is you have a problem with my misunderstanding something. Wow, how very tolerant of you.
The expression "beg the question" is in the actual Dictionary and if you prefer Wiki it might come under the article for Informal Logic.
So for the record, I believe you about the stupid Lottery already, geez!
I went to the Magic Shop last nite, determined to click every moment I could (had to take a few short rests for my hands/arms, though), to see how long would take for me to constantly be able to do that until I saw a Morphing Potion there. Sure enough it took about 30 minutes and for the first time in my neopian life I saw 2 side by side (I didn't bother to try for them, I only wanted to see them in the Shop) that were gone in 1 refresh. During that time were 3 IGS restocks; so I'll stick with my favorite shop.
So, yes, I know many are going for the same item, and I know MPs are meant to be rare, not for everyone to have many of them. I see now that it is quite impossible to grab up more than one at a time. So kudos to those that can and will sit there refreshing every second for 30 minutes.
But I have already gone off topic enough. Thanks for putting up with me.
Seerow, I use a CSS file to rid myself of the banner, but Avant as a browser and not sure that works with Ad-Block, nor do I want Ad-Block. I suggest that you head on over to the "Neopets Premium" thread started recently and tell that to those bragging about how the SSW is so great that it has "tripled" their income or made them millions in no time at all. Some are even using the word "advantage" -- how blashphemous, eh? I do NOT think that there are no advantages to Premium, else why sign up?
Cranberry, you really are a piece of work. I have never seen you insult anyone else like that on any forum here. I clicked your link and read what I considered a flawed article to begin with, HENCE why I said I did not see any difference in usage. If Wikipedia is your Bible, then I do worry a little. What it sounds like you are saying is you have a problem with my misunderstanding something. Wow, how very tolerant of you.
The expression "beg the question" is in the actual Dictionary and if you prefer Wiki it might come under the article for Informal Logic.
So for the record, I believe you about the stupid Lottery already, geez!
I went to the Magic Shop last nite, determined to click every moment I could (had to take a few short rests for my hands/arms, though), to see how long would take for me to constantly be able to do that until I saw a Morphing Potion there. Sure enough it took about 30 minutes and for the first time in my neopian life I saw 2 side by side (I didn't bother to try for them, I only wanted to see them in the Shop) that were gone in 1 refresh. During that time were 3 IGS restocks; so I'll stick with my favorite shop.
So, yes, I know many are going for the same item, and I know MPs are meant to be rare, not for everyone to have many of them. I see now that it is quite impossible to grab up more than one at a time. So kudos to those that can and will sit there refreshing every second for 30 minutes.
But I have already gone off topic enough. Thanks for putting up with me.
Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:01 pm
Sorry if my post offended you; I really wasn't trying to be that mean (and I have said meaner things to other PPTers who have annoyed me much more than you ever have). I was quite frustrated by your refusal to listen to actual premium people who know for a fact that the lotto is a separate one and to restockers who know how the system works. I'm glad you've accepted the lotto proof and tried more restocking for yourself so you could see how it really works.
Also, my "begging the question" aside was just that, an aside (and I do apologize; I know it's annoying when people correct your grammar and I wouldn't have done it had your stubbornness not irritated me so much), and I didn't mean to get into a big debate about it. The actual, original meaning does refer to a type of circular argument, as Wikipedia explains. Wiki is not my "Bible," but has a good explanation and was the easiest place for me to link -- you can read a simpler explanation here (scroll down) or just google "begs the question grammar" (without the quotation marks) for many more.
You, like a lot of people who don't know the expression's origin, used it to mean "raises the question," which is like if I said, "The neonews lately has been short and boring, and we have no new pet colors and no Lenny C this week! This begs the question: what are the staffers doing in that office?" And that's just wrong, sorry. Like I said, it may become acceptable later just because of the sheer number of people who screw it up, but right now -- as you can see if you did google "begs the question grammar" -- it's still not. As with a lot of "fancy" phrases, people just use it to sound literary without knowing what it means, and that always grates on me.
Anyway, I'm content to drop it and move on if you are. Rest assured that I don't "hate" you or anything silly like that.
Also, my "begging the question" aside was just that, an aside (and I do apologize; I know it's annoying when people correct your grammar and I wouldn't have done it had your stubbornness not irritated me so much), and I didn't mean to get into a big debate about it. The actual, original meaning does refer to a type of circular argument, as Wikipedia explains. Wiki is not my "Bible," but has a good explanation and was the easiest place for me to link -- you can read a simpler explanation here (scroll down) or just google "begs the question grammar" (without the quotation marks) for many more.
You, like a lot of people who don't know the expression's origin, used it to mean "raises the question," which is like if I said, "The neonews lately has been short and boring, and we have no new pet colors and no Lenny C this week! This begs the question: what are the staffers doing in that office?" And that's just wrong, sorry. Like I said, it may become acceptable later just because of the sheer number of people who screw it up, but right now -- as you can see if you did google "begs the question grammar" -- it's still not. As with a lot of "fancy" phrases, people just use it to sound literary without knowing what it means, and that always grates on me.
Anyway, I'm content to drop it and move on if you are. Rest assured that I don't "hate" you or anything silly like that.
Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:44 pm
Yeah, sorry, too, Cranberry. I also sent you a "raised white flag" PM hehe. And I know you were just feeling strongly about something, not just singling me out to pick on me (or even if you were, no hard feelings either way).
Since this is off-topic, perhaps if you care to amuse my curiosity (via PM or e-mail), tell me just what exactly is the main difference in the phrases you say are so different, indeed one being actually completely improper?
I see no indication this expression is "going out of style" as you say and no reason it should. I love language too, but why the need for rigidity?
Definition: to assume an answer to an unstated question or premise. Take for granted or assume the truth of the very thing being questioned.
I was indeed, not raising a question! LOL I can't even explain myself how this is different, but I feel it is. It is almost like simply voicing suspicions. Sure they may not be founded, backed with proof, but such is the nature of asking a question. Raising it is one thing, begging for it to be raised is another, but that might just be my "off color" (and an unpopular) opinion.
I admit it seems a more "provocative" way to ask any question, but "raising" one rarely got proof and answers (very over-generally); it isn't until one "begs the question" that people speak up to prove the truth.
I mean, reading back the posts, most people were simply asking me to take their word for things. And I did (which is flawed logic in itself really), but I still had other curiosities, suspicions, and questions unanswered (ahem begging to be answered? -- may be a more proper expression).
Anyway, peace to all and it has been a very interesting discussion either way. Thanks to the mods for allowing semi-related topics and digressions.
Since this is off-topic, perhaps if you care to amuse my curiosity (via PM or e-mail), tell me just what exactly is the main difference in the phrases you say are so different, indeed one being actually completely improper?
I see no indication this expression is "going out of style" as you say and no reason it should. I love language too, but why the need for rigidity?
Definition: to assume an answer to an unstated question or premise. Take for granted or assume the truth of the very thing being questioned.
I was indeed, not raising a question! LOL I can't even explain myself how this is different, but I feel it is. It is almost like simply voicing suspicions. Sure they may not be founded, backed with proof, but such is the nature of asking a question. Raising it is one thing, begging for it to be raised is another, but that might just be my "off color" (and an unpopular) opinion.
I admit it seems a more "provocative" way to ask any question, but "raising" one rarely got proof and answers (very over-generally); it isn't until one "begs the question" that people speak up to prove the truth.
I mean, reading back the posts, most people were simply asking me to take their word for things. And I did (which is flawed logic in itself really), but I still had other curiosities, suspicions, and questions unanswered (ahem begging to be answered? -- may be a more proper expression).
Anyway, peace to all and it has been a very interesting discussion either way. Thanks to the mods for allowing semi-related topics and digressions.
Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:10 am
Yes, thanks, mods. Looks like we all worked it out ourselves. 
And I explained in a little more detail in PM, but basically, "begging the question" and "begging for the question to be answered" are completely different things. The "beg" in the former doesn't really have the meaning we normally associate with the word (instead, the phrase means "laying claim to a principle"). I won't bother getting into it more here because I doubt anyone else is interested... and if they are, there's always Google.
Anyway, topic! Um, autobuyers? Are they back? I haven't been rsing lately, so I wouldn't know... but it wouldn't shock me.
And I explained in a little more detail in PM, but basically, "begging the question" and "begging for the question to be answered" are completely different things. The "beg" in the former doesn't really have the meaning we normally associate with the word (instead, the phrase means "laying claim to a principle"). I won't bother getting into it more here because I doubt anyone else is interested... and if they are, there's always Google.
Anyway, topic! Um, autobuyers? Are they back? I haven't been rsing lately, so I wouldn't know... but it wouldn't shock me.