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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:21 pm 
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If I worked in the office, I would 1) start a petition, 2) go on strike (with many others of course so as hopefully not to lose my job), 3) stage a coup! :P

Seriously. I didn't even realize the Pound was not back up. I am surprised that people are so beaten down by the changes that we hear so few complaints lately. Perhaps most of us are still in shock. I know I am. And just wondering what else is in store for us next ....

It seems like the orders being handed down from new management are not in line with what the creators, maintainers, and users of the site want. It is almost like a new site completely. If I had been introduced to "this Neopets" 30 months ago (with a very very cool beginning story to boot; PM me if you like such stories) I would not have bitten the bait.

I probably would have felt it was too modern, too much like all the other Internet information/imagery bombardment, too complicated, not to mention too CPU intensive, and hence more trouble than it was worth. It's almost like someone in management said, "Hmm, we so pwn all other pet sites and have for so long that we can afford to make huge changes that offend our supporting users and just be mediocre now."

It also seems that along with the change in management, old hardware is still suffering? I don't know why databases are still failing but you would think they could afford a high-end deal including more reliable, faster, modern hardware which requires less maintenance and fails less often. It seems their artists and programmers are overworked and all because perhaps someone decided it would be a good idea to implement quickref changes during an Aldator Cup double round robin in which it was VITAL to have databases working properly so that accurate counts could be made for score tallying. Just a bad idea. Don't overstretch. (Note that I don't know if such actually happened or not, but it is certainly a possibility. Therefore, I use this example to show what I think is just poor judgement. Not a good idea. Wait until after the Cup to start making huge overhauls to major site areas? Better idea.)

And what is this NeoCash someone mentioned? 'NeoTube' is bad enough. It is hard to comprehend the aim of all these changes being made so fast. Wouldn't their popularity increase, as well as understanding from their users, if they simply did even the smallest quickest poll before implementing such hideous features? Are they so above everything now that they wouldn't even revert a change that such a high percentage of users disliked?

And I thought TNT said they don't use an automatic program to judge if we were using one? What a strange message to get about auto-buying when you aren't even in a shop. I am sorry for the rant, but I am just so disappointed lately. I really feel more sorry for the people that have to work there, as I know it must be more hard on them having to do all this.

EDIT: "Something has happened! A huge spider crawls all over the page..." Probably because there are cobwebs in the servers! :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:33 pm 
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anjuna wrote:
If I worked in the office, I would 1) start a petition, 2) go on strike (with many others of course so as hopefully not to lose my job), 3) stage a coup! :P

Seriously. I didn't even realize the Pound was not back up. I am surprised that people are so beaten down by the changes that we hear so few complaints lately. Perhaps most of us are still in shock. I know I am. And just wondering what else is in store for us next ....

It seems like the orders being handed down from new management are not in line with what the creators, maintainers, and users of the site want. It is almost like a new site completely. If I had been introduced to "this Neopets" 30 months ago (with a very very cool beginning story to boot; PM me if you like such stories) I would not have bitten the bait.

I probably would have felt it was too modern, too much like all the other Internet information/imagery bombardment, too complicated, not to mention too CPU intensive, and hence more trouble than it was worth. It's almost like someone in management said, "Hmm, we so pwn all other pet sites and have for so long that we can afford to make huge changes that offend our supporting users and just be mediocre now."

It also seems that along with the change in management, old hardware is still suffering? I don't know why databases are still failing but you would think they could afford a high-end deal including more reliable, faster, modern hardware which requires less maintenance and fails less often. It seems their artists and programmers are overworked and all because perhaps someone decided it would be a good idea to implement quickref changes during an Aldator Cup double round robin in which it was VITAL to have databases working properly so that accurate counts could be made for score tallying. Just a bad idea. Don't overstretch. (Note that I don't know if such actually happened or not, but it is certainly a possibility. Therefore, I use this example to show what I think is just poor judgement. Not a good idea. Wait until after the Cup to start making huge overhauls to major site areas? Better idea.)

And what is this NeoCash someone mentioned? 'NeoTube' is bad enough. It is hard to comprehend the aim of all these changes being made so fast. Wouldn't their popularity increase, as well as understanding from their users, if they simply did even the smallest quickest poll before implementing such hideous features? Are they so above everything now that they wouldn't even revert a change that such a high percentage of users disliked?

And I thought TNT said they don't use an automatic program to judge if we were using one? What a strange message to get about auto-buying when you aren't even in a shop. I am sorry for the rant, but I am just so disappointed lately. I really feel more sorry for the people that have to work there, as I know it must be more hard on them having to do all this.

my main beef with neopets is that it is not the neopets I left so long ago. It has become a corporate giant in a sense because they dont seem to care about the people anymore. They rather make money from ads and merch.

when I 1st began neopets on my 1st account there were only around a 1000 other people playing. It was simple and the staff were very helpful. In time, of course, the site grew and problems with hacking emerged. Infact its due to hacking that my 1st account was frozen. I still find it unfair that I had to suffer because of something someone else did, but I created a new account and moved on.

but as you can tell from many posts on here, alot of unfair things are happening to innocent people, which really peeves me off. It used to be about having fun.

I wish our voices could be heard and taken note of by the higher ups, but it seems no matter how much we pleed, its only going to get worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:55 pm 
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Anjuna, I hear you.

NeoCash? After seeing a faerie floating in the air by the ear of someone's pet, I googled a bit and found this info page: http://sunnyneo.com/ncmall.php. It's in beta at the moment, and as far as I can gather you can't join the beta unless you were picked, but basically you spend real-life money to get NeoCash which you can then use to buy Customisation items for your pet. Some of them look quite cool - the wings of flame for instance - so would you pay a dollar to have those pixels on your pet? Would you pay another $1.50 for a clockwork petpet to roll in front of it? What about the hundreds of other items that are slated for NeoCash-only release? Where do you draw the line?

Your money buys you one year's 'rent' of the items, after which they disappear. And they can't be traded, sold or given away. Unless you want to open your wallet, you can't have them. And the artists? I doubt they have a choice... their time will now go into making paid-for items, not fun stuff for everyone.

This includes items I was expecting to be among the most basic things released for customisation... like more backgrounds, besides the generic starry ones and the Altador Cup support backgrounds. But no. You want your pet to be swimming in Maraqua? 200 NeoCash, please. You thought Customisation was created with the user experience in mind, and were trying to be positive about the changes to your Neopets, even though they now all look like they're about to punch you? Well, you can make them look really cool now! (If you pay for it.) Discovering NeoCash made me realise exactly what Customisation is about: turning Neopets into a pay-as-you-go site. I thought it was a joke at first... too similar to the April Fool about NeoCharge... but it's not April. And the NC items are real.

I mean, I'm a Premium member. I don't mind paying real money to improve my experience on a site I play daily. (I support Neopets financially, so they don't have to blast me with adverts; fair enough.) But there's a line to be drawn.... and beyond that line, your community sinks into a barely disguised fascia for a moneymaking machine. For me, personally, NeoCash just crossed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:00 pm 
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I've done a bit of research, and the traffic has gone waaaay down. Considering since about as far as this one website that kept rankings (since late 2001) that the website had nearly double or triple the traffic than it does now.


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And to think that they would charge two bucks to get a one use item for two bucks just to make their pet happy?


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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:28 pm 
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Anjuna, I hear you.

NeoCash? After seeing a faerie floating in the air by the ear of someone's pet, I googled a bit and found this info page: http://sunnyneo.com/ncmall.php. It's in beta at the moment, and as far as I can gather you can't join the beta unless you were picked, but basically you spend real-life money to get NeoCash which you can then use to buy Customisation items for your pet. Some of them look quite cool - the wings of flame for instance - so would you pay a dollar to have those pixels on your pet? Would you pay another $1.50 for a clockwork petpet to roll in front of it? What about the hundreds of other items that are slated for NeoCash-only release? Where do you draw the line?

Your money buys you one year's 'rent' of the items, after which they disappear. And they can't be traded, sold or given away. Unless you want to open your wallet, you can't have them. And the artists? I doubt they have a choice... their time will now go into making paid-for items, not fun stuff for everyone.

This includes items I was expecting to be among the most basic things released for customisation... like more backgrounds, besides the generic starry ones and the Altador Cup support backgrounds. But no. You want your pet to be swimming in Maraqua? 200 NeoCash, please. You thought Customisation was created with the user experience in mind, and were trying to be positive about the changes to your Neopets, even though they now all look like they're about to punch you? Well, you can make them look really cool now! (If you pay for it.) Discovering NeoCash made me realise exactly what Customisation is about: turning Neopets into a pay-as-you-go site. I thought it was a joke at first... too similar to the April Fool about NeoCharge... but it's not April. And the NC items are real.

I mean, I'm a Premium member. I don't mind paying real money to improve my experience on a site I play daily. (I support Neopets financially, so they don't have to blast me with adverts; fair enough.) But there's a line to be drawn.... and beyond that line, your community sinks into a barely disguised fascia for a moneymaking machine. For me, personally, NeoCash just crossed it.

I woundered about premium but I dont have the money for it (which is why I also dont have premium accounts for LJ or xanga lol).

but I do wish I had premium. stupid money...


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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:35 am 
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^ Well you can get an invite to do a trial, if you weren't aware? I've got plenty to give out.


As for buying pixels to put on your pets image... I consider it equal to those silly LJ gifts and facebook gifts, etc. I don't mind spending a dollar or two on things like that just for fun. However, I do think it's a massive misjudgment of TNT to introduce something like that when there's 892765082957 other issues that ought to have higher priority.


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 Post subject: Re: Neopets down?
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I kinda felt like that "happy meal" :P is sorta taking advantage of new players and children that might not know that you can spend 5 seconds of time to make their pet happy...

They need more support staff there, there's no reason why they have to let the site get so bad. Just shut it down and fix it, instead of making everyone be their little guinea pigs to check out what works and get their stuff lost in the process.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:53 am 
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I've been getting a lot of 404s tonight.


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I've been getting a lot of 404s tonight.


I have noticed a lot of 404's today as well. The site is a little buggy in general - the SuperWiz is having a few problems and I found some ads which I shouldn't have being Premium.


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I've been getting many 404s over the past few days when playing games like Dicearoo and Solitaire.


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I've been getting a ton of 404s too. Mostly when I'm trying to post a message or do a daily. Hopefully that will clear up soon.


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My 404s have been popping up over the last week when I play NQ II... haven't seen any ads though (I have premium) - touchwood!


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