Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:05 am
Trick wrote:Voldemort is after all a very clever nasty dude
Trick wrote:I'll be very interested to see some things explained more in the next book, the Veil in particular as I expected that to be explained in this book - Harry has asked no one yet? Kinda odd I think.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:19 am
Sapphire Faerie wrote:Trick wrote:I'll be very interested to see some things explained more in the next book, the Veil in particular as I expected that to be explained in this book - Harry has asked no one yet? Kinda odd I think.
What are you hoping will be explained about it?
It was in the department of mysteries for a reason, you know.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:10 am
Trick wrote:Tharkun wrote:All right then, let's see what you make of the "cling to some desperate hope" part that refers to "conspiracy theorists."
The hope that Snape is not evil, or the hope that he is evil? She doesn't specify. She could even be referring to what some conspiracy theorists do in general as there are plenty of various theories that have been about since the beginning. Or she may not count those who believe Snape isn't evil as conspiracy theorists from where she is standing.
ink.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:31 am
bgryph wrote:Or, hope that Dumbledore isn't really dead (or that Sirius isn't really dead) -- theories I've seen tossed around that, while possible, seem very unlikely given the usual conventions of story structure, which pretty much require the hero's mentors to die.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:53 pm
Amethyst wrote:Those are very good points, Liv. Didn't Dumbledore say something about Voldemort unintentionaly giving some of his soul to Harry? (I think it was in book 2 or 3, maybe even 1 O.o)
J.K. Rowling wrote:'You can Speak Parseltongue, Harry,' said Dumbledore calmly, 'beacuse Lord Vodemort - who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transfered some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:02 pm
Anubis wrote:To be honest, I haven't read this thread through. I'm just going to post what I think will happen.
I think that Harry is the horcrux. Voldemort was going to kill Harry to create another horcrux, but instead he made it with Harry's parent's bodies, which is why blood protects Harry. This means that Harry must destroy all the horcruxes and then kill himself after killing Voldemort, which means both Harry and Voldemort will die.
CD raised these points to me:
1) Why would Voldemort try to kill his own Horcrux time after time again
2) Why would he make somebody who's such a danger to him a Horcrux?
I replied:
1) I have two explanations. The first is that Voldemort doesn't know that he made Harry a horcrux, and the second is, if he did know, he has so much of his soul spread about anyway it wouldn't matter because he could create another with HARRY'S body.
2) Number two, Voldemort made Harry a horcrux unintentionally. It clearly states in the book that Voldemort was going to kill Harry, then get something from Gryffindor to encase his soul in, with Harry's death. Instead, he encased his soul in HARRY with Harry's parent's deaths, which, again, would explain the blood thing.
It also had a big implication when Dumbledore said 'or who' on the horcrux issue. It would also explain where Harry got his Parsletongue capabilities and looked like Voldemort, etc.
(Oh, and I think Snape is good. I think it was arranged, because Snape was supposed to keep in favour with the Death Eaters, for Snape to kill Dumbledore if he had to. Also, I think that he also killed Dumbledore because he had taken the Unbreakable Vow, and Draco couldn't complete his mission, which was to kill Dumbledore, so Snape had to do it for him. -nods-)
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:29 pm
jellyoflight wrote:Anubis wrote:To be honest, I haven't read this thread through. I'm just going to post what I think will happen.
I think that Harry is the horcrux. Voldemort was going to kill Harry to create another horcrux, but instead he made it with Harry's parent's bodies, which is why blood protects Harry. This means that Harry must destroy all the horcruxes and then kill himself after killing Voldemort, which means both Harry and Voldemort will die.
CD raised these points to me:
1) Why would Voldemort try to kill his own Horcrux time after time again
2) Why would he make somebody who's such a danger to him a Horcrux?
I replied:
1) I have two explanations. The first is that Voldemort doesn't know that he made Harry a horcrux, and the second is, if he did know, he has so much of his soul spread about anyway it wouldn't matter because he could create another with HARRY'S body.
2) Number two, Voldemort made Harry a horcrux unintentionally. It clearly states in the book that Voldemort was going to kill Harry, then get something from Gryffindor to encase his soul in, with Harry's death. Instead, he encased his soul in HARRY with Harry's parent's deaths, which, again, would explain the blood thing.
It also had a big implication when Dumbledore said 'or who' on the horcrux issue. It would also explain where Harry got his Parsletongue capabilities and looked like Voldemort, etc.
(Oh, and I think Snape is good. I think it was arranged, because Snape was supposed to keep in favour with the Death Eaters, for Snape to kill Dumbledore if he had to. Also, I think that he also killed Dumbledore because he had taken the Unbreakable Vow, and Draco couldn't complete his mission, which was to kill Dumbledore, so Snape had to do it for him. -nods-)
I'm still re-reading and haven't got to that part yet, could you clarify what page/chapter it's in?
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:27 pm
Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:10 am
You have flitted into Lord Voldemort's mind without doing damage to yourself, but he cannot possess you without enduring mortal agony, as he discovered in the Ministry.
Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:34 am
Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:45 am
Setekh wrote:on the other hand, i somhow doubt that the naming of Horace is incidental.
im thinking she drew ideas from the god Horus... the avenger
im taking bets that its Horace that bumps off ol Snape, or prehaps otherwise avenges somone.
possibly Sirius (killing Bellatrix)
at the moment anything he could do would be incidental, but then, its rather a habit of ... the writer (drawing a total blank right now ) to do stuff all sneaky like.
still, i think theres more than coincedance in his name.