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 Post subject: How hot is too hot?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:26 am 
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For a computer to run?

I've been having trouble with one of my computers freezing up and scandisking almost every time I restart.

The idle temp (just loading the CMOS, not windows) is 107 degrees F. Doing routine things on windows, it can get as hot as 113. Around 110 it appears to be the least stable and more prone to having windows exploror quit resonding, and out of frequency errors, etc.

I had never thought it was a problem because I had asked my mom and she said it was okay and that some of her computers can go up to 120.
But when I described my problems to someone else they thought that it could be a thermal problem. They also questioned the 107.

Anyways I hope to get some new fans or have an additional fan soon.


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 Post subject: Re: How hot is too hot?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:34 am 
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Is the inside of your computer clean? Dust can trap a lot of heat.


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I'll need to check. It was cleaned out a couple months ago, but my room is overall very dusty.

The case is a pain in the smurf (cute filter ;)), ...uh, I... mean... uh... butt to both open and close. I end up breaking brittle plastic tabs just about every time I attempt. I have to like push in, out, and sideways to be able to slide the thing. Before I can slide it I have to find a screwdriver to remove the screws. You can probably guess why I hardly like to mess with opening the darn thing.


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1. Stop Overclocking?
2. Buy more internal fans
3. Buy more heatsinks
4. Move to a thermaltake case
5. Buy a big fan and aim it at the computer
6. Move computer to a different room


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:45 am 
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1. Stop Overclocking?
what's that? o_O Sorry I'm no expert. :oops:


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Simply it's where at the lower system levels you tell your computers processor to do more things per cycle. Typically even a tiny amount of overclocking causes a drastic rise in heat.

Even if you don't know what it is, it's possible that your computer was overclocked by whoever sold it too you in order to make it seem faster than it is.


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max temp for most cpu's is around 70 Celcius (155-160 F)
any more than than can cause dammage to the system. But other compoenents in the system have other heat requirements


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You might just want to move it into a cool room, such as a basement if you've got a habitable one. There are two computers in my basement, and neither have had problems with overheating.

Also, this will get moved to C&T, since it'll fit better in there. :)


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Most modern CPUs don't die of overheating. Instead, they begin to throttle their performance, decreasing the speed somewhat, but staying within their limits. This shouldn't cause anything to crash.
Intel CPUs (Prescott) start thottling at ~100 C = 212 F
My 6600GT video card starts throttling at ~93 C = 200 F

Your 107 F (43 C) figure is pretty vague. If that's the case ambient temperature, you're about 5 C over the recommended temperature (not a major issue, but do get a better fan -- you may just have to clean your old one from the dust that tends to accumulate on them). If that's the CPU core temperature, it's pretty cold.


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DiscordantNote wrote:
You might just want to move it into a cool room, such as a basement if you've got a habitable one. There are two computers in my basement, and neither have had problems with overheating.

Also, this will get moved to C&T, since it'll fit better in there. :)


The basement is... uh, well, cold, moldy, dirty, smelly, and unfinished to say the least. It also holds few outlits so it'd be hard to find a place to put a computer. It also lacks decent lighting. Quite a few of the light sockets that did work are broken.

I doubt it would be good place to put a computer (or person).


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Your 107 F (43 C) figure is pretty vague. If that's the case ambient temperature, you're about 5 C over the recommended temperature (not a major issue, but do get a better fan -- you may just have to clean your old one from the dust that tends to accumulate on them). If that's the CPU core temperature, it's pretty cold.


Probably is vague. I'm reading the sensor that the CMOs sets. I don't know if it is a feature with all award bios, but for mine, I can hit delete and get into the settings, check PC health status and see the temperatures and RPM readings.

As far as the rest of your post, that's interesting. The computer is cleaned out. (I'd upload picts, but I need to find the chord)

The motherboard looks in good shape. I can't figure out what is making my computer crash so much?

The memory chip looks clean and in good shape too.


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If your room temperature is habitable (~73 F?), try opening the case and using the PC as you normally would. If it still crashes, it's not an overheating problem. :)


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