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pinkflamingonewsgirl wrote:...I'm a PPTer and I didn't revolt...lol
Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:10 am
tippey wrote:cslewislover wrote:Interesting. Where can you see that? Does anyone still have the mayor on their regular opponents list (he's on my opponents found list, but not in the challengable list).
Go to User Lookup for the person, click on the stats for One Player BD, scroll to bottom of page
It will show the win loss record and points earned for each opponent the player has fought in the BD
Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:11 am
Daze wrote:AySz88 wrote:I strongly object to all this "I'm better than you because I didn't participate" business. In a cooperative game (element), the person who decides to not participate has no reason to feel better than those who do; as long as everyone has fun, who cares how they did it? And if anyone feels they gave up a piece of the plot to covet that stat, perhaps a bit of reevaluation is in order.
Plus, I don't understand how people are leaping from "players' participation didn't matter in the timing of the mayor's defeat" and "we're not going to get prizes for fighting the mayor". On the contrary, they definitely kept track - see the numbers on the 1-player challengers list? I would be surprised if they didn't use this data.
I don't know where you think people are saying they are better for not fighting!!
I for one, am not saying that. I do not know if it was timed or not, so I can't comment on the fact.
As to the data on the battledome list - in the LDP we got to fight Razul, but the points did not go towards our plot points.
It is actually the people who done a lot of fighting telling us (those who chose little or no fighting) that we didn't do our fair share.
IF it was timed, then fighting didn't matter, if it wasn't timed and fighting will give out points, then I suppose myself and others wont get as many points as others.
It really doesn't matter, either way. I chose to keep a fairly good battledome score rather than chance no other reward for the fighting.
I am not gloating or saying it was a better choice. It was my choice and I am sick of hearing people say that I didn't do my part in bringing down the Mayor.
Plots are for the individual to decide on what they want to do and I resent the implication that I gave up the plot.
I am proud of my stats - worked damn hard to get them there and I choose what is good for me and I wont be told that I am selfish.
Seems from what dolphinling is suggesting, is that indeed if noone fought the mayor, he would have been defeated and removed as a challenger and his HP reduced at the same rate? Programmed AS such? But the reality is that there are always MORE people that will 'fall for' this sort of thing and do it anyway (even if in all good intention, not naivety, but hope). Is ironic i often ask myself the same about life? Discernment.
Saying that naive people should not be penalized is (almost) like saying the smarter ones should. I am over-generalizing (rather black-and-white-ing) of course, but I really do think that this is a very odd case.
Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:15 am
Hey, I fought a few times too. I just think it was TNT's version of a belated plot Trick or Treat. In an Editorial lately they said fighting in this plot would count but they would not say how much. This intrigues me.
To be honest, I was referring to the post above yours, but your reply still doesn't make sense; I think you're confusing "selfish" and "wrong". They're not the same thing. In other words, sure, it was your choice to not fight the mayor, and there were aren't really any negative consequences to anyone else for doing so. But that doesn't mean it wasn't the more-"selfish" choice, it just means it wasn't a "wrong" choice. So my point is, it's not wrong to skip the part for selfish reasons. If I had a very high win percentage that I cared about more than plot participation and points, I would have taken the selfish route too, and have no qualms with it.
So my point is, it's not wrong to skip the part for selfish reasons. If I had a very high win percentage that I cared about more than plot participation and points, I would have taken the selfish route too, and have no qualms with it.
Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:18 am
AySz88 wrote:Seems from what dolphinling is suggesting, is that indeed if noone fought the mayor, he would have been defeated and removed as a challenger and his HP reduced at the same rate? Programmed AS such? But the reality is that there are always MORE people that will 'fall for' this sort of thing and do it anyway (even if in all good intention, not naivety, but hope). Is ironic i often ask myself the same about life? Discernment.
This is what I object to. Specifically, with this excerpt: there's no "fall for". Suspend disbelief* - you're in a virtual pet game, after all - and just join in the fun and, if you need the additional motiviation, score some plot points in the meantime. (You might also be misinterpreting the goal of the part - nobody, I hope, fought him repeatedly to win or just to fight some opponent. It was probably mostly to join in the group effort (which is what TNT probably would want), or, possibly, for the plot points.)
*Of course, it's possible to screw things up so much that you don't sustain your players' SoD, but I don't think TNT handled things that badly...
(and, on seeing the subsequent posts:)Saying that naive people should not be penalized is (almost) like saying the smarter ones should. I am over-generalizing (rather black-and-white-ing) of course, but I really do think that this is a very odd case.
Nobody should be penalized for suspension of disbelief. Getting people immersed in the plot is part of the goal - not something to be punished.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:01 am
anjuna wrote:Some of us also know TNT's Scientology background and the 'prophecy' and timeline of that metaphor to the world, still influencing Neopets.
Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:02 am
(You might also be misinterpreting the goal of the part - nobody, I hope, fought him repeatedly to win or just to fight some opponent. It was probably mostly to join in the group effort (which is what TNT probably would want), or, possibly, for the plot points.)
Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:02 am