ahoteinrun wrote:
Ashes wrote:
ahoteinrun wrote:
Ashes wrote:
ahoteinrun wrote:
The Lion King wasn't a landmark in animation. It didn't do anything absolutely spectacular. The techniques used in it were modified from Beauty and the Beast, and from the Great Mouse Detective. It was a good movie, but I liked the Incredibles more.
Why?
Maybe because i'm older now. I love the Lion king, but after taking design and history courses... theres just so much hilarity in The Incredibles involed with E, and the houses... I just can't get over it. And i'll be buying it tuesday.
Not a landmark? When did you see five hundred individual scripted wildebeest running on screen at once in Beauty & The Beast?
I don't think your are giving the animators the credit they deserve. You know they all had to be indidividually painted in pre-productionm in order to keep track of them all.
The scene was one scene. Using technology that they developed from Beauty and the Beast. It was a difficult scene, YES, but I don't feel it was as landmark as other things Disney has done that revolutionized the world of animation.
And trust me, i've looked seriously into being an animator. I'm in my BFA of fine arts, i've done an animation project with my college. I do know what i'm talking about, since I have inked sheet after sheet of hand done drawing for the animation I worked on.
I'm not denying your ability in the slightest, only your appreciation of the effort. True, some of the technology used was applied to films before The Lion King (all of it, in fact) but this was, and always will be, Disney's crowning achievement. It is a seamless synthesis of multi-cultural themes, one part love story, another part survival epic. A morality tale told by the best people in the business. There is no animated film that combines all of the qualities that this movie displays. You know how John Lasseter must have felt when he finished Toy Story 2. At the time, it was the be all and end all of computer generated animation. There simply wasn't anything to compare with it at that moment in time. The Lion King was at that point years before it, and as far as marrying standard animation and newer forms of technology are concerned, it has never (and will never) be bettered.
Excuse me, but who are you to tell me that what I judge or how I judge something is wrong? Bambi for cripes sakes was a bloody PHENOMONAL movie for their time! The antlers they used on the great prince of the forest were too complex to animate by hand so they had to figure out a different process. Which at the time was unheard of to use (rotoscope anyone?). Not to mention the fact that Disney has made multi planes of animation longer then ANYONE else. That was a HUGE advancement in animation, and without it they couldn't have made the Lion King!
And have you seen every single animation that is yet to be made? You can't say it will never be bettered. You don't know that. You don't know whats in the future.
I've never once said that the animation wasn't good, or that I didn't appreciate it. Really only that I liked the Incredibles better, and that I don't think the Lion King was as landmark as you're making it.
I can say it will never be bettered because Disney (post 'Home On The Range') will no longer be making standard 2D animation any longer.
Who am I to tell you? Well, it was you that suggested that it wasn't a landmark piece of animation. If you don't like what you read, my best advice would be to skip it and move along to the next comment instead.
You don't need to get all hissy about it. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. Calm down, you'll live longer. My opinion is different, that's all. You don't agree with it, that much is clear. You haven't convinced me otherwise, despite your apparent 'insider' knowledge of the subject.
Good luck to you.
I think the general consensus of opinion (ie - the votes) says it all, however.
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