Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:35 pm
Can I join?
The best petstores are generally small independant ones, but if I get more rats they'll come from a breeder. I'd boycot anywhere that sold cats and dogs - they're not pets who can spend their childhood in a cage and come out normal.
The best chain 'round here would have to be seapets. Mainly fish, but the rest of the critters there are fine as well.
The best petstores are generally small independant ones, but if I get more rats they'll come from a breeder. I'd boycot anywhere that sold cats and dogs - they're not pets who can spend their childhood in a cage and come out normal.
The best chain 'round here would have to be seapets. Mainly fish, but the rest of the critters there are fine as well.
Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:18 pm
In Edmonton, the best pet store (IMO) burned down.
It was horrible; it was live on TV.
In a really old strip of buildings. *shakes head*
The guy who owned it, was trying to get in, to save the kittens, you could see them in the windows... trying to get out before they dissapeared. It was just awful.
And something i'll never forget. Ugh.
He didn't have fire insurance either... but the memorial at the site was amazing. Flowers everywhere... people set up a donation... I think he may be rebuilding... I hope he does.
He let the kittens run free (it was a REALLY small store, maybe 400 square feet at the most), and puppies if he had them. His fish were always healthy, and he always had great looking reptiles.
PJ Pet Center here in Edmonton isn't horrible either. It's getting better, but they still have puppy farmed puppies; which I do not like. I hate watching puppies in cages, doesn't seem natural to me.
It was horrible; it was live on TV.
In a really old strip of buildings. *shakes head*
The guy who owned it, was trying to get in, to save the kittens, you could see them in the windows... trying to get out before they dissapeared. It was just awful.
And something i'll never forget. Ugh.
He didn't have fire insurance either... but the memorial at the site was amazing. Flowers everywhere... people set up a donation... I think he may be rebuilding... I hope he does.
He let the kittens run free (it was a REALLY small store, maybe 400 square feet at the most), and puppies if he had them. His fish were always healthy, and he always had great looking reptiles.
PJ Pet Center here in Edmonton isn't horrible either. It's getting better, but they still have puppy farmed puppies; which I do not like. I hate watching puppies in cages, doesn't seem natural to me.
Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:53 am
ahoteinrun wrote:In Edmonton, the best pet store (IMO) burned down.
It was horrible; it was live on TV.
In a really old strip of buildings. *shakes head*
The guy who owned it, was trying to get in, to save the kittens, you could see them in the windows... trying to get out before they dissapeared. It was just awful.
And something i'll never forget. Ugh.
He didn't have fire insurance either... but the memorial at the site was amazing. Flowers everywhere... people set up a donation... I think he may be rebuilding... I hope he does.
He let the kittens run free (it was a REALLY small store, maybe 400 square feet at the most), and puppies if he had them. His fish were always healthy, and he always had great looking reptiles.
PJ Pet Center here in Edmonton isn't horrible either. It's getting better, but they still have puppy farmed puppies; which I do not like. I hate watching puppies in cages, doesn't seem natural to me.
That's so incredibly sad. The poor kittens... awww... I do hope he re-builds. People like he is (or sounds) only come once in a century. To sacrifice his life for the lives of kittens. Wow.
I HATE puppy farms! Puppies were meant to run around and play, not be locked up.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:49 am
There's a site against puppy farms, I'll post the url when I find it... There's a place in a lot of places in Denver called Pet City, it's Ok, except they so obviously get their dogs from puppy farms. (Some of them are too young to be in stores, trademark of puppy farms... a lot of them "pace"). I have NO idea where my dog came from, we got him at a pound when he was about 1, but he might come from a puppy farm because he's definitely pure-bred, and he's really afraid of anything resembling a cage. (He won't even go into his dog house.) Of course, he could just not have liked the cages at the pound... Even me and my friends when we had live-action dog roleplays on the playgrounds, acting out the parts of the dogs, when we decided to act out puppy mill dogs it just got too depressing.
Re: PPTers Against Animal Cruelty
Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:42 pm
Dawn2 wrote:PPTAAC is a clique
Er... That's not very true, is it? Cliques are bad things.
Dawn2 wrote:PetCo, in my opinion is the absolute worst store ever. There's been hundreds of animal abuse reports in their chain.
Not anymore... They signed some contract or whatever a month or two ago, stating that the conditions would improve. They have new guidelines and rules for the stores and employees, too.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:48 pm
Can I join? I luff animals. 
Sun Jul 04, 2004 6:03 pm
DM was on fire! wrote:Can I join? I luff animals.
Of course you can join! Anyone can if they love animals!
And by the way, we need a new weekly topic. The first to post wanting to create the topic gets to decide what it is going to be this week.
And I also want to do two more things:
1. Elect some sort of vice president in case I have to suddenly leave. (See my post in Misc. Discussion). I'd like it to be one of the original members whose been here since this began in February. Or shortly after that. If you'd like to be it, contact me via PM.
2. Hold a contest for how much animal service hours you do. I know you can lie over the internet, but I think most of you here are above that. What you have to do is keep track of how long you do things for animals. Say you walk a dog for 15 minutes; that would count towards your time. The goal is to see who can can help out the most. There will be first, second and third place trophies provided (not made by me, but the incredibly helpful DM was on Fire!). There also might be Neopoint and item prizes as well if I can get them. This contest starts as of right NOW. Nothing you did before reading this counts. This contest will end on July 30th, 2004 and prizes will be awarded. For right now, prizes are just the trophies, considering I don't have anything else to give. I'll edit this post if that changes. I'll be working on making more NP and buying more items so there will be more for next time. If this works out as planned, I'm hoping to have monthly rounds. And if we're around long enough, whoever has the most time at the end of the year will win. You should all do good deeds with animals without having to be bribed with prizes, but I figured this would inspire people more.And it's always very nice to have animals helped, whether people are being bribed to do it or not. The rules are: PLEASE do not lie. I think you are all above that, but I can't be sure. Anything counts as long as you do something kind for an animal- shelter work, dog walking, brushing, playing, etc. So get working and posting those times! And one more thing- there will be a reward for everyone who works for at least three hours a month.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:01 pm
I have to join! I love animals! That kitten thing was heart-rending. I feel like I'm about to cry ... but anyway. I don't know that much about stores, we don't go to them often. I wish we could, but hey, it's not really my choice.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:48 pm
I'll join...again. Also, it's not just Pet Stores that abuse animals, people with pets do too. The person that owned my cat before me treated her awful. They gave her their leftover food and the lady's kid gave the cat chocolate. The rarely ever changed her water bowl, so the poor cat went over to our house to get food and water. Luckily, the lady saw this and gave her to me.
I see animal abuse on Animal Planet all the time. >_< You can see the animal's ribs and there are parasites all over them.
I see animal abuse on Animal Planet all the time. >_< You can see the animal's ribs and there are parasites all over them.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:19 pm
Oooh, I know a new weekly topic! Laws your state/country/city has concerning animals. Denver has mostly good laws, except the dogs the restrict, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers.(SP?) It's not that these breeds haven't been known to be violent, it's just that, like most dogs, they aren't violent unless they're trained to be! And when people train animals to kill, they're probably abusing them along the way. Denver doesn't enforce animal cruelty laws nearly enough. Plus, the people who work at pounds (see Siberian Huskies for Dummies, What To Do if your dog Runs Away) sometimes can't tell one breed from another- a boxer/jack russel terrier was due to be killed for being a Pit Bull lately- a kind worker who knew about breeds rescued it, and was shocked at the number of "pit bulls" killed daily.
Plus, I have NEVER met a mean Rottweiler.
Conifer has the wisest breeding control I've seen- keep females in heat in a CONFINED yet COMFORTABLE (they say that) space, inside.
But most cities don't give a Dwimmerlaik about cats... often there's no or very small penalties for hurting and/or killing cats. When states label cats as "free-roaming animals" that means you can't shoot them or anything, but if you run them over there's no penalty.
Plus, I have NEVER met a mean Rottweiler.
Conifer has the wisest breeding control I've seen- keep females in heat in a CONFINED yet COMFORTABLE (they say that) space, inside.
But most cities don't give a Dwimmerlaik about cats... often there's no or very small penalties for hurting and/or killing cats. When states label cats as "free-roaming animals" that means you can't shoot them or anything, but if you run them over there's no penalty.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:30 pm
My community has incredibly bad animal abuse laws.
There's this lady that lives across the street from me and she is a terrible pet owner. At first, one of her dogs (named Widow), kept jumping over her fence and terrorizing the other neighborhood dogs. She scared my dog, Kevin, and Kevin barely ever gets scared. She did this repeatedly, and I had to call the police department FOUR times before they did something about it. Soon after, the lady's dog had about five puppies. Were the new puppies welcomed into the world in a warm, cozy environment? Oh, no. The puppies were born outside and never allowed inside, even if it was storming. And they all had to share ONE bowl of food daily. You could see their ribs. Did we call the police again? Oh, yes- upwards of five times. Did they do anything about it? Nope. Nothing. It's surprising how much our police department disregards animals so much. The owner has only been given one warning, and that was way back when the dog kept jumping over the fence.
There's this lady that lives across the street from me and she is a terrible pet owner. At first, one of her dogs (named Widow), kept jumping over her fence and terrorizing the other neighborhood dogs. She scared my dog, Kevin, and Kevin barely ever gets scared. She did this repeatedly, and I had to call the police department FOUR times before they did something about it. Soon after, the lady's dog had about five puppies. Were the new puppies welcomed into the world in a warm, cozy environment? Oh, no. The puppies were born outside and never allowed inside, even if it was storming. And they all had to share ONE bowl of food daily. You could see their ribs. Did we call the police again? Oh, yes- upwards of five times. Did they do anything about it? Nope. Nothing. It's surprising how much our police department disregards animals so much. The owner has only been given one warning, and that was way back when the dog kept jumping over the fence.
Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:13 pm
Mentioned before were puppy farms... Are those the same as puppy-mills?
I did a project on that a while ago...
I did a project on that a while ago...
Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:32 pm
Shifty wrote:Mentioned before were puppy farms... Are those the same as puppy-mills?
I did a project on that a while ago...
Yup... I'm pretty sure they're the same. Although they shouldn't exist at all under any name...
Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:49 pm
Are you kidding Dawn? That's terrible! For crying out loud, if I lived across the street from her I'd give her a firm talking to myself after the police ignored me. (I hear arguing with the Police themselves is a good way to get you beaten or jailed.)
Denver also sends all the strays the Animal Control people find to the pound, even if they're just Outside Pets (Some people keep their cats outside, or some pets just hang around outside sometimes, to hunt or play- my cats for example are Indoor/Outdoor cats, they go wherever they like but they come back when called.)
I heard someone at school crying when their pug was exterminated just because she didn't claim it immediately, within the time limit- the phone number on its collar was just getting the answering machine because they were on vacation and had someone pet-sitting on evenings, who wasn't there when the pug escaped or something. You gotta wonder, if Animal Control people care about animals, why don't they ever send them to a no-kill shelter? There's quite a few of them in the Denver/Boulder/Aurora area! I figure that Animal Control officers are the people who were over-qualified to be butchers. (Ok, not true, but they don't seem to do aught but killing from what the guy who came to our class who was debating Animal Cruelty.)
It's like the things with bears- everone is really sad when they inform campers about the "three strikes and you're out" law we've got with bears- the first time anyone sees a bear one ear's tagged and they're released, the second time the other ear's tagged and they're released, and the third time they kill them! But the rangers and bear monitors who are sad about it don't *do* anything!
On the plus side, when my class was arguing with the people representing Denver who came with coloring books (note we're in sixth grade- apparently he expected us to be nimrods), one of them looked like he was gonna wet his pants from our furious onslaught.
I forgot to mention- there are no regulations in Denver regarding anything besides birds, dogs and cats. Meaning the dead gerbils piled over eachother we saw in an otherwise great pet store (the Rodent Personel- they had different sections- weren't too great with Gerbils and were obviously neglecting duty) meant NOTHING. However, I'm going to try next year, if we do EarthForce projects again, to shove the Conifer Pets In Heat law into Denver. They have strays up the wazoo- when we were doing our walk around the metro area to see what problems we could spot and improve, we saw tons of strays, including one very beautiful and obviously stray collie that a guy was taking care of until he could find his owners. I was later informed by him when we stopped to have a chat (the group of students, the teacher, and the man) that the dog was blinded by bleach- probably students being [EXPLETIVE]s.
Denver also sends all the strays the Animal Control people find to the pound, even if they're just Outside Pets (Some people keep their cats outside, or some pets just hang around outside sometimes, to hunt or play- my cats for example are Indoor/Outdoor cats, they go wherever they like but they come back when called.)
I heard someone at school crying when their pug was exterminated just because she didn't claim it immediately, within the time limit- the phone number on its collar was just getting the answering machine because they were on vacation and had someone pet-sitting on evenings, who wasn't there when the pug escaped or something. You gotta wonder, if Animal Control people care about animals, why don't they ever send them to a no-kill shelter? There's quite a few of them in the Denver/Boulder/Aurora area! I figure that Animal Control officers are the people who were over-qualified to be butchers. (Ok, not true, but they don't seem to do aught but killing from what the guy who came to our class who was debating Animal Cruelty.)
It's like the things with bears- everone is really sad when they inform campers about the "three strikes and you're out" law we've got with bears- the first time anyone sees a bear one ear's tagged and they're released, the second time the other ear's tagged and they're released, and the third time they kill them! But the rangers and bear monitors who are sad about it don't *do* anything!
On the plus side, when my class was arguing with the people representing Denver who came with coloring books (note we're in sixth grade- apparently he expected us to be nimrods), one of them looked like he was gonna wet his pants from our furious onslaught.
I forgot to mention- there are no regulations in Denver regarding anything besides birds, dogs and cats. Meaning the dead gerbils piled over eachother we saw in an otherwise great pet store (the Rodent Personel- they had different sections- weren't too great with Gerbils and were obviously neglecting duty) meant NOTHING. However, I'm going to try next year, if we do EarthForce projects again, to shove the Conifer Pets In Heat law into Denver. They have strays up the wazoo- when we were doing our walk around the metro area to see what problems we could spot and improve, we saw tons of strays, including one very beautiful and obviously stray collie that a guy was taking care of until he could find his owners. I was later informed by him when we stopped to have a chat (the group of students, the teacher, and the man) that the dog was blinded by bleach- probably students being [EXPLETIVE]s.
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:57 pm
ahoteinrun wrote:In Edmonton, the best pet store (IMO) burned down.
It was horrible; it was live on TV.
In a really old strip of buildings. *shakes head*
The guy who owned it, was trying to get in, to save the kittens, you could see them in the windows... trying to get out before they dissapeared. It was just awful.
And something i'll never forget. Ugh.
He didn't have fire insurance either... but the memorial at the site was amazing. Flowers everywhere... people set up a donation... I think he may be rebuilding... I hope he does.
He let the kittens run free (it was a REALLY small store, maybe 400 square feet at the most), and puppies if he had them. His fish were always healthy, and he always had great looking reptiles.
PJ Pet Center here in Edmonton isn't horrible either. It's getting better, but they still have puppy farmed puppies; which I do not like. I hate watching puppies in cages, doesn't seem natural to me.
Please quit telling that story. It makes me sick every time.
*bawls*
I was watching an Animal Cop(or something of the sort) show the other day and they found this nice dog(I forget what kind..Rottweiler..Pitbull..?) and her puppy. She was very protective at first,but in a while she let the animal officer carry her baby and put them in the truck to take them to the ASAPCA..but they put the mother to sleep because her breed was illegal in the area.
I dont get why they couldnt just take her somewhere else! Honestly..but they let the puppy live cause he was a mix..