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meh, bring on the robotic legions. watch me care.
show those bucket-headed machines whos boss when they rebel. or. we die.

I was under than impression too. Guess I should go experience it before making assumptions?

Hmm... I would have to say... It is OK to be in Virtual reality and balh balh, but to take that as an ulternative to real... thats just weird.

I would love to try out that thing myself (if it were real) but not live in it.

I really don't like this. I fear one day someone is going to go to far, creating robotic plants and animals just like that and claiming they are a god or something. Well anyway, no matter what they say, those things aren't REAL. They are machines and no matter how lifelike they are, and no matter what their arugument is, no one can create a single living thing on their on. They can clone them, yes. They can cause them to be born. But it isn't the same. And person isn't a god and never will be. Anyway, I could have sworn I saw a 666 in that rat's eye in the beginning of that trailer. Nothing I can do about that, though, what will be will be. It is destined to happen sooner or later.

Of course, this is my own personal opinion. But leaving religion out of it, the potential for power to go to a person's head is very real. Weither you would call the person the anti-christ, a terrorist, or just crazy is up to you.

Afraid of a little competition as dominant species i see?

the subject of them being real is academic, they exist, no amount of arguing will change that.
The machines are gaining sentience, might aswell accept it.
they might not balls it up as badly as we have afterall.

'Makes me think of the future dystopias found in Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell (although whether the latter is actually a dystopia is debatable). In the world of Blade Runner, real animals of mostly become incredibly endangered or extinct. Most pets are very expensive, rare and tend to be androids. In Ghost in the Shell, humans can opt to (and often have) cyborg bodies or body parts. The graphic novel asks the question, what does it mean to be human if now our bodies and parts of our brains are mechanised?

Evolution is failing because of Technology.
had evolution been working naturally -as had been intended- then Genetic disorders and hereditary diseases would be wiped out within centurys. but as it stands they are growing stronger, ancient resistances that we once had are being wiped out by "indiscriminant breeding" (for want of a better term)

Technology destroyed evolution. makes sense for Technology to add another level to it.

edit: that. and Nanotechnology has given the first real chance at measured immortality.
who needs to die, when nanobots can repair almost any damage dealt to you. no matter how severe.

Well I really don't want to die any time soon, and yet, I don't want to live forever either. I mean, if everyone who is born just hangs around, we'd run out of room sooner or later, even if there was some way to feed us all. People would start killing each other just because someone was in there way, before long. And I hate to see beautiful landscapes paved over just to make more room for people, and animals becoming extint just because they have no place to live anymore. And the more time goes by the less plants and animals we will see, unless everyone finds a stopping point where they say enough is enough. But why care about real plants and animals and landscapes when we can just plow them over? And if we happen to miss them we can just make fake ones? Nah, that isn't right to me. I like real living breathing plants and animals and nature. Sure something that exists is real, but it isn't the same. A robot flower might exist, but it isn't a real flower. It is man made and though it might exist for thousands of years and never fade, long after we are gone, I still say something you might call a weed is more beautiful that the most beautiful robotic flower you can concieve of.

and why should artifical life be considered anything less real than an organic one?
prehaps Organic life is a fluke, and that artifice is the true master of the universe.
we dont know ofcourse, given that we have discovered some fourteen extra-solar planets.
(and twelve solar ones, doing pretty badly)

perhaps the universe has long-since abandoned organism as inneficcent xenophobic constructs, useful for nought but biological batteries.
(massive repoductive rate (that is crashing mind, but that is our own fault) various by-products of our existing, etc etc)
maybe Artifical life is somehow resistant to the galactic-resets that wipe each galaxy clean every few billion years. who knows, i was going out on a limb saying that organic life was a fluke.
heck, life might be an accident, maybe the universe was meant as a massive power-plant for an alternate realitie/dimension, and life is nothing but an unfortunate side-effect.
maybe the galactic-resets are the creators way of trying to get rid of us.

unfortunetly, i see to have lost what my point was.

I see what you mean. It is just as a biological organism, living in a world where everything is living and everthing that I consider to be real and alive and beautiful has come from something else living, that is what I am used to and what I favor. We may find out there among the billions of planets one day a planet where everything is what we could call robotic. And that would change our ideas a lot. I just wonder what a machine would think of us if it saw us? Well you'll never convince me that a machine is going to feel anything. When I think of Machines, I think of things that will never be spontanious. They might do something random if they are programed too, but even someone would have had to figure out what a person would think is random and spontanious and then program the robot to do that.I can't see a machine appreciating beauty. They might be taught to create a painting or copy what they see, but would they then appreaciate the thing that they had made? A robit might very well copy any old thing it sees and say it beautiful. How would it know the difference between a rotting pile of garbage and a beautiful garden? It might paint them both and say they are both beautiful. Would it look up at a sunset an appreaciate the colors? Would they make a joke at just the right moment? Could a machine confort you or realize you have feelings? Could it feel empathy? It might be programed to do emulate these things, to recognize subtle facial cues we would give it. It might guess we are feeling sad or happy. It might respond by saying conforting words it has been taught to say. It might even pull from it's database random conbinations of sentences that it would seem like we would want to hear. It might even be able to put sentences together into a type of poem. But I just don't see how it is the same. I don't see how anyone could say the robot cared, appreciated, or felt anything at the time. It would simply be doing what is programed to do.

People are taught their own morals though. Your parents, friends, family, environment, and practically everything else are like your programmers, teaching you what is right and what is wrong.

If you grew up in a seperate household where you were taught that killing anyone different from you was just and good, you'd probably do just that, until you realised that it was wrong. And you'd realise that it was wrong because of the people around you.

Don't get me wrong here, I agree with you in saying that machines could probably never appreciate life in the way we do, but we were taught to appreciate it as well.

*sigh* If humans focused on the real animals in the world instead of creating artificial versions of them, so many more animals would be... I donno... saved? It just seems like a waste; why would we want fake animals when we have the real thing?

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or, maybe as has been suggested. we are the ones programmed?
all emotions are but chemical reactions, what differance does it make if that reactions comes from artifice rather than biology?
Plant's react, they open their flower at the coming of the sun, they even move to follow it (sitting in the garden for several hours tells me this, that, and stop-motion cameras filming plants in those nature programs)
but are they really alive?

they react because of a pre-programmed imperative to contine its own existance, to follow the sun (to photosynthesise) and to reproduce.
and we arent much differance, not so much photosynthesis ofcourse, but nevertheless we are nothing more than biological machines.

we react due to ancient predjudices (dark =hides bad things, spiders- four too many legs to be good etc etc) and experiances, thes things build up a reaction table within our subconscious, when faced with things we dislike, we have two options.
fight or flight, either way, they reaction is preprogrammed.

we are no better then they.
but they might prove to be better than us.

A. Gouryella is not a real company, they are a Eurotrance group, therefore what they say is going to happen probably won't.
B. That was a music video, its supposed to be strange. (That wasn't Rubber Johnny strange, but still pretty strange )

And was it just me, or was she turned into a Persocom?