Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:05 am
Thanks, X&G and ggagahc and Katy. I appreciate it, although I really wasn't fishing for compliments. 
I was also thinking maybe the seller was a scammer -- it seems odd that someone could go to type 1,750,000 and type 10,000 instead. But if they were trying to scam, I don't get it. I don't really see how they would be making any NP out of it. It's just all very weird.
I was also thinking maybe the seller was a scammer -- it seems odd that someone could go to type 1,750,000 and type 10,000 instead. But if they were trying to scam, I don't get it. I don't really see how they would be making any NP out of it. It's just all very weird.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:06 am
I agree with you on that whole "scam" thing, Cranberry. And I think I might know how it could have been a scam...
JCMidore, you said that they wanted you to give back the item, and they'd give you back the neopoints, so then you could buy it back at full price.
Now just hold on there a second.
How do you know they're going to give back the neopoints? Couldn't they just keep them and the Krawk Transmogrification Potion? A nice, big chunk of NP, no work or sacrifices involved? (Or, in basic terms, they get NP and get to keep the potion)
Hmm. Sounds like a scam to me.
And, my vote goes with the majority--keep it. It's their loss, their fault if they were careless enough to make that error in pricing. Heck, I know that if was that guy/girl, I'd be more mad at myself for being a moron than the other person, but would go on in Neo-life. That potion is yours, and you can do whatever you want with it.
JCMidore, you said that they wanted you to give back the item, and they'd give you back the neopoints, so then you could buy it back at full price.
Now just hold on there a second.
How do you know they're going to give back the neopoints? Couldn't they just keep them and the Krawk Transmogrification Potion? A nice, big chunk of NP, no work or sacrifices involved? (Or, in basic terms, they get NP and get to keep the potion)
Hmm. Sounds like a scam to me.
And, my vote goes with the majority--keep it. It's their loss, their fault if they were careless enough to make that error in pricing. Heck, I know that if was that guy/girl, I'd be more mad at myself for being a moron than the other person, but would go on in Neo-life. That potion is yours, and you can do whatever you want with it.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:24 am
Personally I'd keep the potion, resell it at the regular price, keep the nps, and forget all about it.
That wasn't carelessness on their part in my opinion, that was either pure stupidity, or someone trying to create a bid war for a low-priced item at your expense, which failed miserably.
You don't just "missprice" an item worth that much, by 4 or 5 digits. You just don't.
That wasn't carelessness on their part in my opinion, that was either pure stupidity, or someone trying to create a bid war for a low-priced item at your expense, which failed miserably.
You don't just "missprice" an item worth that much, by 4 or 5 digits. You just don't.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:45 am
Bassie_PHX wrote:How do you know they're going to give back the neopoints? Couldn't they just keep them and the Krawk Transmogrification Potion? A nice, big chunk of NP, no work or sacrifices involved? (Or, in basic terms, they get NP and get to keep the potion)
I would assume that this would be done using the trading post, meaning that the potion would be traded back to it's orgional owner for 250k, and that individual would then attempt to sell it again. thus not a scam, at least not in that way. (It does seem potentialy fishy in general)
As for the dilemma in question, my behavior would depend almost entierly on weather or not the seller seemd nice (illogical but true). If they had seemed like a nice person I would have made some attempt to make it up to them. But if they are trash-talking you on the neoboards than they are a jerk and I would just keep the potion.
To re-sell/not to re-sell that depends on how much you want a Krawk. Personaly I'd resell but I don't want a Krawk, I tend to prefer mamalian pets, but that's clearly my personal opinion.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:59 am
B55B55 wrote:As for the dilemma in question, my behavior would depend almost entierly on weather or not the seller seemd nice (illogical but true). If they had seemed like a nice person I would have made some attempt to make it up to them. But if they are trash-talking you on the neoboards than they are a jerk and I would just keep the potion.
You've hit the nail directly on the head. I would go more out of my way to help someone out that seemed genuinely nice. Kind of like my halfsies thing I outlined earlier. I don't think that sounds illogical at all.
If they were just being rude about it and trash-talking you on the neoboards, I would definitely just keep it or sell it and keep any profits I made from it.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:49 am
If you really want to know what to do, you could start a poll 
Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:20 pm
Tough decision either way. You arn't obliged to but you could give the seller 3/4 of the market price. That way he gets some back but you get a discount and an easy conscience.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:56 pm
I think that giving a portion of the difference won't work. I think offering it will make the person angry that they won't get the whole difference back, and might make them more angry than getting nothing back. They might call the difference scamming or something. I think all or nothing's better, and the situation's too weird as it is. mis-pricing a 1,795,000 np item for 10,000 and having extra people in a private auction? Who leaves out a 7,9,5, and adds an extra 0, and invites too many people? *shrug* besides, this conversation's been going on so long the person probably doesn't even remember who they sold it to.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:15 pm
I definitely wouldn't give the item back -- then they might not sell it back to you for the agreed upon price. It depends on how well I knew the seller whether I'd give him the difference or not. If it was my friend, I'd probably give them the difference (because friendship is worth more than neopoints).
If it's a total stranger, which it sounds like, then it's up to you. You don't owe him anything. You pointed out his mistake; he came up with a way to fix it that could have cost you the item. It's not your fault his solution didn't cover his losses. He could have posted all over the boards, made a whole bunch of neofriends and started a bid war to raise the price to what it should be. That's what he tried to do, but he stunk at it. Maybe next time he'll learn. Especially since his mistake was so odd, I wouldn't feel guilty about it. If he had tried to work with you once you pointed out his mistake, I might handle things differently. But he didn't, so that's a moot point.
While I was on a Jhudora's quest, I needed an item worth ~10000NP on the SW. I lucked across a shop selling it for 544. I figured out afterwards that it was probably a newbie who priced everything based on the item description. In this case, I sent him a neomail explaining the SW and a gift of about 8K NP to cover what I should have paid for the item. But if the person knows about private auctions and has an unbuyable, they're not a newbie. They should have been more careful.
If it's a total stranger, which it sounds like, then it's up to you. You don't owe him anything. You pointed out his mistake; he came up with a way to fix it that could have cost you the item. It's not your fault his solution didn't cover his losses. He could have posted all over the boards, made a whole bunch of neofriends and started a bid war to raise the price to what it should be. That's what he tried to do, but he stunk at it. Maybe next time he'll learn. Especially since his mistake was so odd, I wouldn't feel guilty about it. If he had tried to work with you once you pointed out his mistake, I might handle things differently. But he didn't, so that's a moot point.
While I was on a Jhudora's quest, I needed an item worth ~10000NP on the SW. I lucked across a shop selling it for 544. I figured out afterwards that it was probably a newbie who priced everything based on the item description. In this case, I sent him a neomail explaining the SW and a gift of about 8K NP to cover what I should have paid for the item. But if the person knows about private auctions and has an unbuyable, they're not a newbie. They should have been more careful.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:45 pm
I once bought a really rare plushie for 1000 NP. The person selling it mispriced it, and contacted me. I returned it, and paid the correct price.
What ever happened to being nice to people? Even if you think there was a possibility of being scammed, as long as you come out of it were you before before, who cares? Trust me, almost losing that much in NP would still sting, and the person WOULD be careful if they auctioned off something else later.
I went to dinner with my husband at a comedy club. sitting next to us, a college age couple. They told the waitstaff they were not ordering dinner, and were told, THEY HAD TO, it was a requierement. They ordered the cheapest things on the menu, and drank water. Half way through the meal, the lady looked for her purse, and noticed it was missing. (she had come in with it...)
They were doing a quiet panic, trying hard not to make noise or bother other patrons. My hubby noticed. He told them to just watch the show, and do not worry about it..he paid their bill...also telling them to get a soda and order dessert...and be more careful next time.
They took down our information, and her father wrote us a letter and sent us a check for DOUBLE the amount we paid...telling him...how greatful they were there were still nice people in the world.
Do something nice for someone else, it'll be returned, some how, some where. Overall, this is how I have lived my life, and I have been very lucky my whole life using this philosophy.
What ever happened to being nice to people? Even if you think there was a possibility of being scammed, as long as you come out of it were you before before, who cares? Trust me, almost losing that much in NP would still sting, and the person WOULD be careful if they auctioned off something else later.
I went to dinner with my husband at a comedy club. sitting next to us, a college age couple. They told the waitstaff they were not ordering dinner, and were told, THEY HAD TO, it was a requierement. They ordered the cheapest things on the menu, and drank water. Half way through the meal, the lady looked for her purse, and noticed it was missing. (she had come in with it...)
They were doing a quiet panic, trying hard not to make noise or bother other patrons. My hubby noticed. He told them to just watch the show, and do not worry about it..he paid their bill...also telling them to get a soda and order dessert...and be more careful next time.
They took down our information, and her father wrote us a letter and sent us a check for DOUBLE the amount we paid...telling him...how greatful they were there were still nice people in the world.
Do something nice for someone else, it'll be returned, some how, some where. Overall, this is how I have lived my life, and I have been very lucky my whole life using this philosophy.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:34 pm
Up to you. Obviously you have no obligation under the T&C to return the item, pay part of the difference, etc. Also obviously, it would be the nice thing to do.
What I'm confused about is why people are so worked up about getting NFs to bid the price up? Getting other people to bid the price up in mispriced auction is quite common: I see people do it all the time. I don't see it as something to get worked up over.
I don't see any reason to think it was a scam: how on earth would such a scam have worked? Risk losing a 1.7 million NP item in hopes that the person you sell it to will 1) be nice enough to give it back and 2) be stupid enough not to trade it for the 250k they've already spent? The guy mispriced the thing. Honestly, I think coming up with elaborate reasons why it probably was a scam because there was no "7" is just a way to to try to justify keeping it. Keep it or don't keep it, but don't kid yourself: I think the guy made an honest mistake and you're taking advantage of it. It's up to you to decide how you feel about that.
What I'm confused about is why people are so worked up about getting NFs to bid the price up? Getting other people to bid the price up in mispriced auction is quite common: I see people do it all the time. I don't see it as something to get worked up over.
I don't see any reason to think it was a scam: how on earth would such a scam have worked? Risk losing a 1.7 million NP item in hopes that the person you sell it to will 1) be nice enough to give it back and 2) be stupid enough not to trade it for the 250k they've already spent? The guy mispriced the thing. Honestly, I think coming up with elaborate reasons why it probably was a scam because there was no "7" is just a way to to try to justify keeping it. Keep it or don't keep it, but don't kid yourself: I think the guy made an honest mistake and you're taking advantage of it. It's up to you to decide how you feel about that.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:54 pm
Like someone said above, it would depend upon how the person acted towards me. If they had been pleasant and polite in the pre-discussion, and was humble in hindsight about their mistake and asked very nicely if I would mind exhancing the potion back for what was paid but said they were understanding if you refused because after all, it was their mistake, then yeah... I'd feel bac, and I would want to either return it or give them part of the price (1 mill for example) so it wouldn't sting quite as much.
However, if they were neutral in the pre-discussion and not-nice after the mistake happened, I wouldn't feel very bad about it. I might have sent over a few hundred thousand, but I'm pretty sure that (if the person hadn't been so nice) it would have gone without thanks or any sort of understanding, and I would have regretted my own kindness afterwards.
However, if they were neutral in the pre-discussion and not-nice after the mistake happened, I wouldn't feel very bad about it. I might have sent over a few hundred thousand, but I'm pretty sure that (if the person hadn't been so nice) it would have gone without thanks or any sort of understanding, and I would have regretted my own kindness afterwards.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:05 pm
If someone makes a mistake and asks for the item back, I ALWAYS sell it back to them for whatever price I bought it for. Often the person who makes the mistake will send me a gift of some kind - sometimes worth not much, sometimes worth a lot. But I don't care about that. It's the right thing to do, so I do it.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:16 pm
I'm curious to see how this turns out.
From what you said, the seller didn't seem like a nice person. He made a mistake that you pointed out, and how he reacted? He tried to invite other people in, to cut his loss, but what would have happened if, say, the auction had gone over to more than the agreed price, or someone else had snagged the potion? Just keep the potion. I've dealt with too many unpleasant neopians to feel sorry for one who didn't even try to act nice
From what you said, the seller didn't seem like a nice person. He made a mistake that you pointed out, and how he reacted? He tried to invite other people in, to cut his loss, but what would have happened if, say, the auction had gone over to more than the agreed price, or someone else had snagged the potion? Just keep the potion. I've dealt with too many unpleasant neopians to feel sorry for one who didn't even try to act nice
Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:20 pm
bgryph wrote:I don't see any reason to think it was a scam: how on earth would such a scam have worked? Risk losing a 1.7 million NP item in hopes that the person you sell it to will 1) be nice enough to give it back and 2) be stupid enough not to trade it for the 250k they've already spent? The guy mispriced the thing. Honestly, I think coming up with elaborate reasons why it probably was a scam because there was no "7" is just a way to to try to justify keeping it.
I don't actually think it's a scam either, unless it's a VERY stupid attempt at one. But dude, he didn't just forget a 7. He supposedly went to type 1,750,000 and typed 10,000 instead. That's not a little mistake. 175,000 would be a little mistake. 17,500 would be bigger, but still possible. Heck, I'd even give him 1,750 if he really wasn't thinking. But 10,000? He doesn't deserve the potion back due to his sheer stupidity alone. Maybe in the future he'll think, "Hey, this is a big-ticket item! Maybe I should be more careful pricing it because I can't expect a total stranger to just give it back to me if I make a really *%$!@# stupid mistake!"
And frankly, it annoys me how many of you are being all high-and-mighty, "I would give it back because it's the right thing to do be nice karma what goes around comes around if you're nice to someone they'll pay it forward like in that horrible Hayley Joel Osment movie I'm disappointed in all of you mean people who say you'd keep it blah blah blah." The people who say they'd keep it aren't bad, immoral people. And JCMidore already decided to keep it and it doesn't sound like this person is still writing begging for it back or anything, so all this is moot anyway -- now it's just a bunch of PPTers trying to prove how "nice" they are by offering up simple black&white statements after the fact.