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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:37 pm 
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Yes, one step closer to see-through humans :evil:


I can't quite believe it's me saying this but... Why would you do that?



For the same reason you'd invent transparent frogs.

i guess if you had a transparent human then they'd be the invisible person. Well I believe we've already made invisible people.

Just take a look at x-men, hollow man and the like :)


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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:57 pm 
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We dont have to dissect critters in the UK =D However, in my old Science class, the teacher had like a dissected rat with all the organs and everything in one of those slide thingies, hanging on the wall. Guess what? I walked in on my first day, looked at the wall, and promptly threw up over the desk. Funny, my science teacher never seemed to like me :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
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Is it true that some high schools actually make the kids dissect the frogs (or whatever) while they're alive?! That's just wrong. That's so wrong that I'm pretty sure I can even say that without controversy.

It's called pithing. The connection between the brain and the rest of the body is lost by inserting a needle in the brain and wiggling it. It sounds inhumane, but there are no pain receptors in the brain and once the brain stops being able to send commands to the rest of the body, it's also unable to feel anything. The end result is the same: a dead frog that's been cut up so a bunch of high school kids(who rarely express a desire to see the inside of a frog) can look inside it and think "ew."


Might as well chop the head off.

The problem with pithing is that you lose the ability to dissect the brain, which in and of itself is a useful activity.


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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
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ellamcumber wrote:
Paul wrote:
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I can't quite believe it's me saying this but... Why would you do that?



For the same reason you'd invent transparent frogs.

i guess if you had a transparent human then they'd be the invisible person. Well I believe we've already made invisible people.

Just take a look at x-men, hollow man and the like :)



Yeah.. But the frog isn't invisible, just has translucent skin, the organs, blood vessels and bones are still readily opaque, so the same effect would be present in humans, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
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And would quite thoroughly kill it, excluding some "Never see the sun" kind of antics.


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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
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Paul wrote:
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i guess if you had a transparent human then they'd be the invisible person. Well I believe we've already made invisible people.

Just take a look at x-men, hollow man and the like :)

Yeah.. But the frog isn't invisible, just has translucent skin, the organs, blood vessels and bones are still readily opaque, so the same effect would be present in humans, too.


I know that, I did look at the picture, but seeing as there is a big difference with transparency and being translucent(which is what i would say the frog is) then I guess a live human being that is translucent could probably end the shelf life of some medical text books.
You could then actually see how the lungs, stomach, bladder and all work whilst the person is still alive instead of having to do a biopsy and open up someone with a scalpel.

But seeing as everyone is implying that the frog is transparent, I just decided to make a ploy about it. If the frog were really transparent, then they wouldn't have discovered it then would they? :P


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 Post subject: Re: Ick..a see-through frog.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:20 pm 
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Might as well chop the head off.

The problem with pithing is that you lose the ability to dissect the brain, which in and of itself is a useful activity.

Well, the point of pithing is to watch the internal organs as they function, not to study the brain--I don't know that much would be "gained" from watching a live brain, as it doesn't show functions the way the other body parts do.
But like I said, I'm not a fan of requiring either one in high schools. It's a pretty darn useless exercise for most of the kids. If they want to study it in optional higher-science classes, well, whatever, but making kids cut up frogs isn't particularly helpful and is probably a huge part of the reason I never want to take a biology class again.


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