Altador Plot (70th Split!)

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-Ducky- · #16 Post by **-Ducky-** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:08 am

sooo, how far are we on fixing that link? scottie? yoshi?, jas? anybody? hello?

Trilian8 · #17 Post by **Trilian8** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:10 am

I haven't seen the 20 spells list in awhile. I think it would be a good idea if we list each spell with every number spell it goes to, or is t hat being done already?

Jemdoll · #18 Post by **Jemdoll** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:11 am

saine wrote:Stupid question, but I thought I'd ask anyway:
Has anyone tried summing all their coords together?

I just spent the past 45 minutes adding up all the x and all the y and then both of them together. It didn't work. So that was just a waste of my time lol.

Raza · #19 Post by **Raza** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:12 am

anjuna wrote:
Trilian8 wrote:I agree on the posting of which spells have been checked and maybe a listing of the 20 spells found so far. I've not checked that many: 30,000 - 30,100. We may have to use those 20 spells in some sort of order. I still think all has not been revieled yet. (is that even close to how you spell reveiled??)

edit: oh God, DUH revealed

If there are 20 for each and every spell. That means .. well that means there won't likely be a Wizard at the end of this, heh .. but it also means that there are, of course, a FINITE number of sequences/combinations unique to each of us. This narrows things down from a singular 50k click scenario to something different. This data IS useful so don't discount it.

All we have to do now is figure out what combination/sequence of (less than or equal to) 20 does "it".

EDIT: Anyone working with and/or compiling similar data, please PM me.

Assuming there's a sequence of 20 spells with 20 options where each is used once and only once, that leaves some 81.000.000.000.000.000 options, plus some spare change.

Yay for progress.

danelkayam · #20 Post by **danelkayam** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:16 am

Although I posted a different channel before...Here it is!
Irc.Zirc.Org
#Neopets
Please register your nick and we can make this a big channel for general neopets discussion and also for plot discussion! Good way to cut down on plot splits and mindless reading. I can also set a script to msg plot solution info.

spudge · #21 Post by **spudge** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:18 am

I'm not logging data of which spell corresponds to which numbers, but I have been going through each spell (at a rate of 2,535 / 30 mins), and haven't found a thing. I've made it through spells 1 to 15,300.

anjuna · #22 Post by **anjuna** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:21 am

Raza wrote:Assuming there's a sequence of 20 spells with 20 options where each is used once and only once, that leaves some 81.000.000.000.000.000 options, plus some spare change.

Yay for progress.

Don't you worry about 20, I can't think of a Wiz way to do it yet but that does not necessarily mean that going through 81.000.000.000.000.000 would be slower than the 4 days and 20 hours I spent on the Water Plant.

I only need to know a finite range, then I am endowed with hope. Call me a bot, lol. I am not a programmer, but I am disabled in my arms. That alone has found me extra ways to use my brain muscles.

I assume we are waiting for this grand program to complete, but so far has been stated only 20 unique "responses" from any of the 50k++ spells. Thus, I can only assume, that a correct sequence or combination has to be confined to that or hopefully FAR LESS, and I am also waiting on dolphinling and others to post any premliminary "secrets" they may have if they noticed.

pezx2k · #23 Post by **pezx2k** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:23 am

Jemdoll wrote:
saine wrote:Stupid question, but I thought I'd ask anyway:
Has anyone tried summing all their coords together?

I just spent the past 45 minutes adding up all the x and all the y and then both of them together. It didn't work. So that was just a waste of my time lol.

Aww sadly theres a very easy way to do this :-(

It didnt yield anything.

(get your star data, paste it into word, find the colon. Delete everything after the colon. Then replace | with ^p and all the , with ^t then select it all, copy it, paste it into excel....then you can use Sum() to add it all up. And the 3rd number is the color if you wanna do anythign by color)

Jacob · #24 Post by **Jacob** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:23 am

instead of writing down all the spells that corresponds to each number, has anyone considered that one single spell within the tome is special to each user? meaning that in that large number of spells, only one is useful to each user?

Jemdoll · #25 Post by **Jemdoll** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:23 am

OK, we have to be missing something the number of spells is too great for this to all be random. I am seriously thinking that the x and y coordinates have little to do with this but I could be wrong. But, for anyone who is interested all I have added everything together with dropping the negatives and with keeping the negatives. I have done just x and have done the same with the y's. I have also dropped the negatives on that scenario and kept the negatives. I have added all the positives and entered it and have entered all the negatives added together I am out of ideas anyone else have any clue what else one can do with the numbers i have added together.

Pezx2k sadly I am working with a very basic calculator and it was the best I can do besides it made me feel like maybe i was doing something that could actually help ppl on the plot rather than just takeing the help from other ppl.

Ange · #26 Post by **Ange** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:24 am

maybe this is where the amulet comes into the plot? just a thought.

Raza · #27 Post by **Raza** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:25 am

anjuna wrote:Don't you worry about 20, I can't think of a Wiz way to do it yet but that does not necessarily mean that going through 81.000.000.000.000.000 would be slower than the 4 days and 20 hours I spent on the Water Plant.

I'm not sure you realise quite how many combinations that is. For reference, that means that if every human in the world would try 10 million combinations we'd have covered a little under three quarters. Loading 20 pages for each, that's many times more than neopets' total pageload since its creation. Even if we had supercomputers capable of doing that in 4 days and 20 hours, we'd crash their servers within minutes, if not seconds, at that rate of incoming packets.

beguiling · #28 Post by **beguiling** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:26 am

Have you thought about the fact that maybe TNT hasn't RELEASED the correct spell yet, and for now all they'll do is give you crap spells? They've been dragging this out for so long, how do you really know if they'll give you anything else to do after all the work that went into finding this constellation?

spudge · #29 Post by **spudge** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:26 am

@Jacob - I've been working under this assumption for a few hours now. Once/if I find a certain spell # that works, I'll post it here, and also my star data so y'all can look for some correspondence. I'm at 16,102 (started from 1) right now, and haven't found anything yet (just the same 20 spell results cycling in pseudo-random order).

pezx2k · #30 Post by **pezx2k** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:28 am

beguiling wrote:Have you thought about the fact that maybe TNT hasn't RELEASED the correct spell yet, and for now all they'll do is give you crap spells? They've been dragging this out for so long, how do you really know if they'll give you anything else to do after all the work that went into finding this constellation?

Yea. Either:

A. What we have now is to keep us busy and the correct spell isnt out.
B. The correct spell is out and there's an unfound clue that leads us to it.
C. Face reality. There is no spell.