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They can always quit their job.


If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


In addition to that, some teachers really want to teach and help kids, so they don't want to quit, while at the same time they do...

(Yea, insomnia last night, just got home from school, I'm probably not making sense to anyone other than me.)


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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.


If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


True. But they CAN quit, even though it would put them in a not so nice financial position. Unless they really do not have an option, they should not complain.


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Stijn wrote:
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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.


If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


True. But they CAN quit, even though it would put them in a not so nice financial position. Unless they really do not have an option, they should not complain.


Its like saying that the Police can quit if theres too much crime, or an army can quit if its sick of war...tohugh in an obviously smaller scale. From my own experience most teenagers are little buggers that bully their teachers as well as each other.


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Stijn wrote:
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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.


If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


True. But they CAN quit, even though it would put them in a not so nice financial position. Unless they really do not have an option, they should not complain.


They can quit but who would want to be in a 'not so nice' financial position? I wouldn't. Most teachers have no other option, they can't afford to quit. And teachers have every right to complain as you do, they're human beings.


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Ammer wrote:
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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.




If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


True. But they CAN quit, even though it would put them in a not so nice financial position. Unless they really do not have an option, they should not complain.


They can quit but who would want to be in a 'not so nice' financial position? I wouldn't. Most teachers have no other option, they can't afford to quit. And teachers have every right to complain as you do, they're human beings.


A great many teachers can't quit, especially the ones in districts where they get the most trouble (like the inner city). I just student taught in Philadelphia last May and my co-op, who had been teaching nearly 30 years, had only just been able to quit his second job 5 years before. Before that he needed to work a minimum of one extra job on top of teaching to support his family. Whether you realize it or not, a lot of teachers work at least a summer job on top of teaching, if not one or more extra jobs during the school year.


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Stijn wrote:
Ammer wrote:
Stijn wrote:
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Having been born into a family of teachers, I can say that a lot of teens are really little monsters that never take into consideration the impact of their actions and words on their teachers. I've seen teachers cry over some of the stuff nasty students can do. That and they are horrendously underpaid for what to do, you wonder how they put up with us - yet they do. And we should forever be thankful for that.

What I think is ironic is people say "Teachers always think they are right" and students act exactly the same - they believe they are always right. A generalisation, I know, but it is reflected in the majority of teens.


They can always quit their job.


If they're raising a family or simply, trying to live by themselves, they can't. You can't just quit a job and expect a new one to jump right in front of you. Some teachers can't afford to quit their job.


True. But they CAN quit, even though it would put them in a not so nice financial position. Unless they really do not have an option, they should not complain.


Put yourself in that position. Would you quit your job and lose your main (if not only) source of income because of a few kids? Especially since there would be a pretty good chance that you would not find another postition for a good while.

My mother is a teacher. She doesn't like the kids she teaches sometimes, but that doesn't mean that she can quit on a whim.


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Living in Asia has probably helped in causing me to be upset when people make generalisations about teachers, yet hardly anyone complains about students. I guess that would be because complainers are usually students.

I don't believe that most teachers always think they are right. Maybe it's just my own experiences and I'm lucky, but no one I've met has ever been upset or not apologised about having made a mistake. The fine difference may be in the students themselves though.

No one reacts well to being told bluntly (and rudely) that "You're wrong there." People don't like mistakes, but just being told that isn't easy to cope with. What makes things worse is that some students just think it lovely to smirk at the same time, or say it sarcastically, or look down at the teacher for making a simple mistake. Even if they change it, people go on and on about it afterwards. Who wants to apologise to a bunch of people who aren't going to let it off that easy? Some teachers do say they are right (when they aren't) and students talk back in an attempt to "reason". It just sounds cheeky, and I could agree with that. Also, it's useless to try and reason with someone who isn't open to changing their mind.

It's much easier to admit a mistake, apologise and change it if no one thinks anything of it afterwards, students included. "Oh, whoops, change what we just copied down then." No one talks about it or thinks about it any further. When pointing out the mistake, being polite and friendly works wonders. And anyway, it doesn't kill to say, "Excuse me, but isn't that supposed to be ... ?" or "Excuse me, I think the [mistake] is supposed to be [right answer]." Cocky tones and smirks don't play a part. It's just a mistake. And after all - the students are sometimes wrong too.


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Some teachers do say they are right (when they aren't) and students talk back in an attempt to "reason". It just sounds cheeky, and I could agree with that. Also, it's useless to try and reason with someone who isn't open to changing their mind.
If that's the case - and that's happened to me a few times - then the students are not in the wrong. The teachers are. Parents shouldn't have to pay taxes for public school teachers that are unreasonable and unfair.


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Some teachers do say they are right (when they aren't) and students talk back in an attempt to "reason". It just sounds cheeky, and I could agree with that. Also, it's useless to try and reason with someone who isn't open to changing their mind.
If that's the case - and that's happened to me a few times - then the students are not in the wrong. The teachers are. Parents shouldn't have to pay taxes for public school teachers that are unreasonable and unfair.


But how would we go about discerning which teachers shouldn't get funding?


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All my teachers are really good this year. Almost all of them told us :

"If I make a mistake, be sure to tell me so I can change it, so you and future classes won't suffer from the little mistakes I make."


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Ok My teacher isn't liek that....she's nice and i go to school for gifted children so...of course the teachers are supposed to be nice... :roll:


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She got fired though, and stabbed by one of the students.


Hmm.


Not a good combo, is it?


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I know teachers can't just "quit".
I wouldn't quit, if there isn't a better job available. But being underpaid does not justify their actions.


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Stijn wrote:
I know teachers can't just "quit".
I wouldn't quit, if there isn't a better job available. But being underpaid does not justify their actions.


Who said it was justification? They are two different things. And, again, not all teachers are bad.


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