Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:53 pm
Qanda wrote:As for raising children, I am pretty appalled by the way this generation of children are raised. Kids are spoiled and pampere to no end and they grow up to be whiny youths with no sense of responsiblity or discipline. Upon reaching adulthood they become scum of the society.
Hopefully, you don't mean all of the children in this generation. Otherwise, we are doomed. Because, someday those of us who are older than them will be wheeled off in our wheelchairs to some big island of old folks and left to die.
Not all of the kids in this generation are bad. In fact, I personally know a few who are pretty good kids. But I do get where you are coming from.
Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:00 pm
Setekh wrote:you see, this is why i dont get along with society.
the mob mentality.
take actions via the law, if you have a case you will win.
but threatening to "get" people because they stole somthing you drew is nuts.
thievery is low i shall agree with you there.
but the mentality where anything anyone does that you dont like is punishable by a damn good kicking is lower.
people like that rank about on place ahead of Traitors.
Have you ever been gutted by an art thief?
Because I have.
Do you actually know what art theft is?
It's anything in which the 'thief' has claimed the work as their own and changed under 25 percent of the work. If the work has had over 25 percent of it changed, LEGALLY, theres nothing you could do. As well, it's also claiming work that you did not do as your own.
It's not like i'd ever really kick the snot out of someone for stealing my art. I know that is wrong. But the feeling is just about the same as what they've done to me. I've been accused of art theft. Me. Accused of stealing my own work. On these forums no less. And that feeling was just... awful. It's so low.
The mob mentality? What mob? Where? I see no mob. I see people who are angry about the fact that there is a total lack of morals in a lot of people now adays. People just don't understand how much time and effort is actually put into art, and when that time and effort is just stolen it's absolutely heart breaking! One of my pieces that was stolen was something i'd put in two days of my life into. I calculated the hours it took. 48 almost 49. TWO DAYS of my life.
That wasn't two days sitting infront of the computer, or watching tv, or just doing jack all. That was two days creating something. And in 2 minutes, someone stole those two days from me.
The law? Does not always work. Thats something you should learn. The law is a mess right now, there is too much crud stuck in the system that when people should be punished for doing wrong, they're not always. Or it's a slap on the wrist. People don't learn that way.
Threataning to get someone who stole part of my life is not nuts. It shows that I care. As i've already said, I probably wouldn't do it. For various reasons. A) I'm not a minor anymore and I could be charged as an adult B) I like to travel I don't want a criminal record and C) I'm not really as evil as I and others make myself out to be.
but the mentality where anything anyone does that you dont like is punishable by a damn good kicking is lower.
This isn't just 'anything'. This is a serious issue. This is theft, this is plagerism and it deserves to be treated as a serious issue.
people like that rank about on place ahead of Traitors.
And to be honest, I really don't like your tone, and I don't appreciate it in that comment.
Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:21 pm
ahoteinrun is absolutely correct about the law. It is a mess and I should know. I went to law school, am married to a lawyer, and have worked in the law field for many, many years. I also have sued a doctor for malpractice and have sued, on behalf of my sister's estate, a company for a manufacturing a defective product.
You need money to bring a case against someone. Lots of money. For expensive lawyers and court costs. And, to be honest, you can really only win a case if there is an actual monetary loss involved. So, even if an artist has had artwork stolen from them and can prove it, it doesn't mean that the artist will prevail in the end.
And, unfortunately, the law cannot keep up with the changes in technology. It takes a long time to enact a law and, usually, that is only done after many wrongs have already been committed. Ten years ago, no one ever dreamed that people would be communicating via the internet, sharing music and artwork via the internet. And, not just within one country. But globally. Nor did lawmakers anticipate the problems that the internet would create. They are now scrambling like heck to address these problems and put laws into place to protect people--but that takes a lot of time and effort.
So, the law is not always the answer. Though it ought to be.
And, just an addtional word from me. I am not an artist. But my sister was. My dad was. My brother and his wife both are professional artists. Sometimes, people who are not artists have no clue as to the amount of time and effort that goes into a piece of art. Nor the emotions that an artist feels when he/she creates a piece of art. That piece of art is a piece of them--of their identity. It wasn't there before they brought it into existence. And, to steal it or destroy it is like taking away a piece of their soul. To me, it is perfectly understandable why an artist would get so upset if someone stole their work and paraded around with it as their own. Talk about the ultimate slap in the face.
*hands Mari and ahoteinrun a cookie*
You need money to bring a case against someone. Lots of money. For expensive lawyers and court costs. And, to be honest, you can really only win a case if there is an actual monetary loss involved. So, even if an artist has had artwork stolen from them and can prove it, it doesn't mean that the artist will prevail in the end.
And, unfortunately, the law cannot keep up with the changes in technology. It takes a long time to enact a law and, usually, that is only done after many wrongs have already been committed. Ten years ago, no one ever dreamed that people would be communicating via the internet, sharing music and artwork via the internet. And, not just within one country. But globally. Nor did lawmakers anticipate the problems that the internet would create. They are now scrambling like heck to address these problems and put laws into place to protect people--but that takes a lot of time and effort.
So, the law is not always the answer. Though it ought to be.
And, just an addtional word from me. I am not an artist. But my sister was. My dad was. My brother and his wife both are professional artists. Sometimes, people who are not artists have no clue as to the amount of time and effort that goes into a piece of art. Nor the emotions that an artist feels when he/she creates a piece of art. That piece of art is a piece of them--of their identity. It wasn't there before they brought it into existence. And, to steal it or destroy it is like taking away a piece of their soul. To me, it is perfectly understandable why an artist would get so upset if someone stole their work and paraded around with it as their own. Talk about the ultimate slap in the face.
*hands Mari and ahoteinrun a cookie*
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:16 am
Morningstar wrote:Hopefully, you don't mean all of the children in this generation. Otherwise, we are doomed. Because, someday those of us who are older than them will be wheeled off in our wheelchairs to some big island of old folks and left to die.
Not all of the kids in this generation are bad. In fact, I personally know a few who are pretty good kids. But I do get where you are coming from.
Naturally not all the kids are bad.
But there are more badly raised children then well-raised ones which I see. Their parents are either too busy or suffer from behavioural problems themselves. One example is that of vulgarities. No matter where I turn, every youth I meet uses vulgarities liberally, so much so that they have become desensitised to it and do not actually process what they are meaning with those words. About only 1 out of 10 people I know do not use vulgarities. And this is coming from a good school; I can imagine the sitaution is much worse in other schools.
But I am going off topic with this rant here. Back on topic,
Setekh wrote:you see, this is why i dont get along with society.
the mob mentality.
take actions via the law, if you have a case you will win.
but threatening to "get" people because they stole somthing you drew is nuts.
thievery is low i shall agree with you there.
but the mentality where anything anyone does that you dont like is punishable by a damn good kicking is lower.
people like that rank about on place ahead of Traitors.
I believe Inrun was just exaggerating about the dark alley business, and even so, art theft isn't just something that "you don't like". It is wrong, just like stealing is wrong.