The big screen and the small screen... together at last! Hurrah!
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:43 pm

Robin wrote:
.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:Anakin, Obi Wan and Darth (What's his name... Saruman? xD) Fight scene



Darth Sarumon?? *snickers* Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus *is huge SW geek, along with PotO*

Couldn't remember his name... lol...

Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:36 pm

I have finally seen the film! Now I can feel safe in threads with "spoiler!" written on them, heh xD

I loved it, absolutely loved it. Best out of the ones George Lucas directed by far. Totally gorgeous film to watch. Action is fantastic and exciting, lightsabre battles were amaaaazing (Grievous vs Kenobi = awesomeness). The beginning was nice and action packed with lots of humour, more R2-D2 and less C-3PO can only be a good thing :D

And finally! The actors were allowed to actually, you know...act! Well obviously not the Anakin guy, I think he can only do the scary voice bad guy type acting, and Padme was still rather wet :/ But Ian McDiarmid wiped the floor as Palpatine, and Ewan McGregor was finally allowed to not be so wooden and strut his stuff, hurrah!

And it all pooled together nicely to boot. Definitely the best of the prequels and I'd go so far as to say it is my favourite Star Wars film of the lot :o

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:52 am

it pooled together?
did you watch the same film i did?
Kashyk was there to show some wookies (who are in the film for all of about a minute)

the ewoks were less stupid.
yes.
the ewoks.

in the words of another guy, because ive gone brain freeze right now.

There was simply too much to do in this movie: kill the droid army, seduce Anakin to dark side, vilify the Jedi, exterminate the Jedi, build the Empire, and develop Vader, etc... . Every one of these pivotal events were handled superficially, typically through montage or other film school stop gaps.


Worst of all, Anakin's fall (y'know the reason why we watched the prequels to begin with) was attributed to an amalgamation of reasons, none of which was developed effectively, giving us a "wow, that was kinda quick, what the hell just happened" response to his fall. Given all of the beautifully described descents into evil in the history of western literature (Paradise Lost, Faust legends, Hamlet, etc... ), Lucas had plenty of material to work w/but failed to deliver in any meaningful way. So, we're left w/a fall into darkness that few in the audience will be able to idenify with. Couple this problem in rendering his fall from grace w/only about 30-45 minutes to turn him into the most sadistic, cold-blooded, bad guy in the galaxy and I'm still left wondering why he commands such fear. In short, I always envisaged him as the Jason to Palpatine's Freddy Kruger, but now I envisage Vader more like the Pinnochio to Palpatine's Gepeto (okay that might have been more harsh than intended ... but I can't think of a better way to put it right now).


in short this is probably one of the wors directed films ive seen in some time.
dont get me wrong i enjoyed the film (i just repress those stupid droids, and R2D2) but seriously!

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:03 pm

Setekh wrote:it pooled together?
did you watch the same film i did?


Yup, and I loved it and thought it all pooled together, simple as that. Obviously as a film everyone will feel differently (especially with it being a Star Wars film, groan) but that was all my opinion.

It's a pity I can't go back and see it again, my cinema is moving it to the small (tiny) screen this week now. Bah, humbug.

Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:53 pm

Trick... I agree with Setekh.

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You obviously live in a world where pigs fly and Pixies frolic in the many woodlands and forests.

Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:26 pm

.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:Trick... I agree with Setekh.

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You obviously live in a world where pigs fly and Pixies frolic in the many woodlands and forests.


:roll: Just because a movie wasn't up to your standards doesn't give you any right to make statements like that. Trick's opinion is as valuable as any other highly critizing opinion on the movie.

Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:50 pm

Runevalkyrie wrote:
.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:Trick... I agree with Setekh.

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You obviously live in a world where pigs fly and Pixies frolic in the many woodlands and forests.


:roll: Just because a movie wasn't up to your standards doesn't give you any right to make statements like that. Trick's opinion is as valuable as any other highly critizing opinion on the movie.


I'm agreed with Rune. I'm also agreed with Trick, and we have a right to express our opinions without being told we live in a fantasy world.

I greatly enjoyed the movie. It wrapped up quite a few things. Not all of them, of course. Yoda said that he would teach Obi Wan to make contact with Qui Gon Jin (totally excuse me if I spelt that wrong - a correction would be nice ^.^), but it's never mentioned in IV, V and VI.

I found a loophole the size of the Grand Canyon, though. In ROTJ when Luke asks Leia what she remembers of their mother, Leia says that she was beautiful, but sad. If Padm

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:54 pm

Runevalkyrie wrote:
.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:Trick... I agree with Setekh.

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You obviously live in a world where pigs fly and Pixies frolic in the many woodlands and forests.


:roll: Just because a movie wasn't up to your standards doesn't give you any right to make statements like that. Trick's opinion is as valuable as any other highly critizing opinion on the movie.


Thanks for that (and Anubis) :) I don't know if the above was meant to be insulting or not (I'm guessing not) but it kinda read like it was. But I'll not take it that way (because I'm guessing not) which explains why I am the happy bunny that I am :P ...too much parenthesis there x)

I liked the film, I don't think that makes me deluded at all (strangely enough). I mean after all it is a Star Wars film, pure entertainment rather than a deeply intellectual film that will change your life...unless you're a Jedi of course. In fact I think I will go and see it again too, I liked it that much :D And yeah, the Nooooo bit was funny rather than dramatic *digs around for funny link*

This was posted on IDB, made me laugh: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050531.jpg

Enjoy =)

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:04 am

Trick wrote:
Runevalkyrie wrote:
.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:Trick... I agree with Setekh.

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You obviously live in a world where pigs fly and Pixies frolic in the many woodlands and forests.


:roll: Just because a movie wasn't up to your standards doesn't give you any right to make statements like that. Trick's opinion is as valuable as any other highly critizing opinion on the movie.


I don't know if the above was meant to be insulting or not (I'm guessing not) but it kinda read like it was.

No it was not meant to be hurtful I was just saying that I don't agree with you.
Trick wrote:http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050531.jpg

Pure and simply... lol :roflol:

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:43 am

Comic = love XD

It is so good...

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:21 am

I really noticed how quick the conversion to the dark side was. It was like "Oh no, what have I done?....Okay, let's go kill some people."

Oh, and that comic is great :D

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:42 am

Optimus wrote:I really noticed how quick the conversion to the dark side was. It was like "Oh no, what have I done?....Okay, let's go kill some people."

Twas one of my gripes.

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:29 am

Optimus wrote:I really noticed how quick the conversion to the dark side was. It was like "Oh no, what have I done?....Okay, let's go kill some people."


I noticed that too. He had gone to the dark side before I could say wth. And then I was like... wth?!

He just fell to his knees and said, "I'll do anything, just don't let her die." "Rise, Darth Vader." "*rises* *runs off to murder people*" o.O

That comic = <3

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:04 pm

Spoilers ahoy...




Indeed. I just saw the movie on Wednesday (my reward to myself for finally sending my dissertation off to my committee) and that was my major problem with the movie: I think the first half of the movie was good. I think the last half of the movie was good. But there was this weird break where the first half and the last half of the movie tried to join together and just... didn't. So we're left with "What have I done.... oh, you want me to slaughter a bunch of children? OK."

Basically, I think the entire prequel trilogy needed to be restructured so this whole seduction to the dark side thing took more than one movie. I think it worked in principle, but in practice more stuff needed to happen between the death of Windu and the slaughter in the temple.

Other comments:

At least the "romantic" dialogue didn't suck as badly as last time. This isn't saying much.

They needed to lay off the stupid Yoda reverse-order dialogue. Yes, I know he did it in the original movies, but not to this extent, not to the extent that it distracted from whay Yoda was actually saying. They went overboard.

Both Grevious (dumb name) and Kenobi need to read the "Evil Overlord" list a few hundred times.

I hate hate HATE it when books and movies that replace perfectly acceptable words with made-up words for no apparent reason. He killed CHILDREN, dang it. Killing children is supposed to be bad. When you hear someone say, "He killed children!" you're supposed to gasp in horror, not chortle inwardly with repressed laughter, which is what happens when you hear someone utter an inane peice of dialogue like, "He killed younglings!"

If I'm trying to sneak into enemy territory, I'm not sure a lizard that whoops very loudly at random intervals would be my first choice of mount.

No way they wouldn't both have been in flames that close to lava.

The bit at the beginning where everyone *fell* -- as opposed to floating -- when the ship began to tilt towards the planet? Please. I'm used to physics being bad in these sorts of movies, but that takes the cake. (Same goes for the buzz droids flying backwards when they leave the ship's hull.)

Even with our non-advanced technology we know that laying flat on one's back is a terrible position to give birth in.

With Padme a senator and all, you'd think they wouldn't have much luck at keeping a secret marriage secret. Besides, how could people not notice that Anakin *lived* there?

So Captain Antilles managed not to get promoted in 20 years? Dang.

So... does anyone ever bother to WACH the security holos? Seriously. You'd think Sideous would be a little more worried about it, but he didn't even bother to block or delete them. You'd also think that if the secuity holos proving that he was the Sith lord and that he'd ordered his bodyguard to kill children got out, the Senate might think twice about going along with his permanent Chancellor scheme. Yet no one seemed to think of this.

Hmm. There's two of us and two of them. They're split up. Let's split up, too, and take each one on seperately, instead of staying together and tackleing them two-on-one, one at a time. If the Jedi strategies have always been this stupid, maybe THAT'S why the army killed them, not secret orders from Sideous...

That'll do for now.

I actually did enjoy the movie. :-)

Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:46 pm

.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:
Optimus wrote:I really noticed how quick the conversion to the dark side was. It was like "Oh no, what have I done?....Okay, let's go kill some people."

Twas one of my gripes.


hmm.
made sense to me?!

so, you have prophetic visions where the one thing in this world dies, you learn that the sith can save people from death, and then one of the few people that you look upto shows elements of the thing he says he reviles (trying to kill Palpatine rather than turning him in as he was meant too, this bit is explained) then said sith lord offers you power in exchange for bumping off the people that you feel have tried to stunt your growth.

okay, i buy that.

THEN, after bumping off the people that cause a massive interstellar war (the seperatist leaders) your confronted by the master that has stunted your growth and hes with you missus.
yeah.
id be pretty annoyed actually.

especilly given the jedi councils constant whinging at him, yeah sure. you can be on the council, but we'll really give you a kick in the teeth by not making you a master cos we dont trust you. :roll:

i dont know, maybe me and george are the only people who made sense of it all.
(as for Anakins level of power play the clone wars game, he gains access to immense power to stop the force harvester (a relic of the sith wars) but is warned by the last person who managed that (his ghost anyway) that if he doesnt control it, that it will lead to the darkside (the jedi then shows anakin that he became a fallen jedi and was executed)
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