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Animals seem very to very capable of predicting the death of themselves or others.

My friend's dog was perfectly fine all of it's life. It was an average happy dog. Then, it started acting up. I mean, it all of a sudden stopped going outside. It stayed indoors all day, usually hiding under a wardrobe or something. And it was terrified of cars.

A few days later, it was run over. Died instantly.

It's the same a t big disaster areas (or should I say, soon to be disaster areas). Just before major earhquakes, cyclones, volcanic eruptions, etc, animals anywhere in the danger zone go nuts. Some in zoos even kill themselves trying to bash down their gates/walls to escape.

So maybe there's more here than we know, or ever will know. Or maybe we once had this ability, but evolution filtered it out as it was unnessesary for our survival.

It is quite amazing that that happens. I know there is quite a lot of studying going into that now - after the terrible tsunami as the end of last year there were people on the news saying they couldn't find a single dead wild animal in the affected islands (I assume it's the same for the mainland places). Not a single one had been drowned or was washed up later on. They'd all run for it in time to get away. It truly is amazing.

I don't think I've ever had any omens like that but all of my close family (grandparents and downwards) are still around and those that have passed away did so when I was much younger and I have the worst memory in the world, heh.

The only thing that happens to me is a lot of times I phone my Mum and she's standing by the phone about to call me, and vice versa. And the weirdest and most painful thing was when I found out sympathy pains are real! I was visiting my grandad (who I'm very close to) in hospital after he had artificial knees fitted in a long operation. As soon as I saw him on the hospital bed my legs started to tingle. After 5 minutes I had to excuse myself as the pains in my leg got so intense - only from my knees down. I could barely make it to the car to go home and yet after I'd been out of the hospital a few minutes they disappeared. Since then, whenever someone so much as talks about operations on their legs the pains start in my feet and only go as far up as my knees. Every time :/

I know your advice was intended for some one else in a situation different from mine... but I'm taking it.

CWisgood, don't panic. It was probably just a coincidence. I certainly don't see omens. It was nearly two years until I found out some one died.

Science.

Just use science.

Coincidences.

Ah, you scientists are all alike. Everything can be explained away.

Yet, sometimes, they can't.

Science freaks me out even more.

Science can't explain anything, religion and superstition are the only ways you can empirically know anything.

Dude, most scientists are so single minded, that they refuse to acknowledge that there may be so many things they are blindly ignoring. Religion for one, has been around since before historical records. Humanity has always believed in a greater power than their own.

Some scientists refuse to even consider a 'God' or superbeing of some sort.

I won't ramble on about this, because I'll probably offend someone, but I just think that using Science alone to try and explain something is complete... poo. Superstition and religion (amongst other things) should be considered.

I thought you meant you'll use science to explain poo, before I reread this post.

Aye, I'm afraid that too would constitute as offensive to some people here

Science to explain poo. I have to google that someday

Humanity may have, but not all humans have. It no better to say "science cannot explain everything" than it is to say "science can explain everything" depending on what your own beliefs are. Many scientists are also religious, but there isn't anything wrong with not believing in a higher power either.

Anyway, it just sets me off if I read something like

as it's such a generalisation itself that it could be considered just as single minded. Nothing wrong with different people believing in different things, and sometimes to believe things you have to ignore other things - or the things you ignore don't even count themselves as being ignored as perhaps the science/religion just can't explain it yet. Science (and some religions) is of course, constantly evolving itself. *ties herself in huge big knot*

I come from a religious and scientific family so I always assumed certain things weren't real or possible. When my mum told me that a great great uncle of mine had the powers of medium and that it had scared him so much he had spent most of his life afraid...well it certainly broadened my mind a heck of a lot!

Aye, tis why I said most, not all. Most, meaning majority, meaning 50.00000001% or more

I'm not denying anything people believe in. I don't deny the fact that humanity may have evolved from a toxic ooze, or that everything started with a bang. I just believe in Intelligent Design, and that things aren't how scientists picture them to be. Whilst they go on exploring the fields of genetics, technology and medications, there are a few fields that are left virtually untouched. Fields that most (51% or more) people belive to be worthless. Such as telepathy, levitation, junk like that. Call it bogus, but just remember that before the plane was invented, most people thought of the idea of flying as hogwash.

And yes, humanity also means humans in general. So long as the majority of people believe in something, I think you should be able to generalise the people. A bit rough thinking maybe, but if 51% of humans believe in a god, then I think you can get away with saying that humanity believes in a power greater than it's own.

Maybe, but not in my opinion I just don't like any generalisations and I tend to think of "most something or other" meaning almost all, not a technical majority. I'm strange And the trouble with science is that scientists can only really work with something if there is some evidence or physical proof. True enough the theory of relativity is still only a theory rather than it having been proved but it had to be done in order for a lot of other physics to work in the first place. You can believe in things (scientifically) by either proving it is true or being unable to disprove it. The latter though is usually much weaker.

In any event, I personally believe in most science. I may believe in things that science doesn't cover but I don't consider the two areas to be mutually exclusive And I'm sure science will get around to studying everything in time - even the human mind and brain which is pretty impossible at the moment. Meep, I want to read the His Dark Materials trilogy again now

LALALA DEBATE BOARD NOW BEFORE THIS THREAD IS LOCKED.

Um... white noise is fun.

Hehe, it's all over now - and more like a sharing of different knowledge's than a debate

Incidentally, can anyone tell me the difference between a medium and a psychic? The fact that a member of my family was or had the powers of a medium has me a little confused - are they both the same as in they can talk to spirits (very basically) or can they see omens and so on too?