Altador Plot (70th Split!)

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Penguin · #31 Post by **Penguin** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:30 am

Can some please tell me how to use the mad plumber wizard and how its more efficent than just clicking? Are there any better ways?

beguiling · #32 Post by **beguiling** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:31 am

pezx2k wrote:Yea. Either:

A. What we have now is to keep us busy and the correct spell isnt out.
B. The correct spell is out and there's an unfound clue that leads us to it.
C. Face reality. There is no spell.

I'm going with A, simply because it corresponds with TNT's cracked out sense of humor at times.

spudge · #33 Post by **spudge** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:31 am

pezx2k wrote:Yea. Either:

A. What we have now is to keep us busy and the correct spell isnt out.
B. The correct spell is out and there's an unfound clue that leads us to it.
C. Face reality. There is no spell.

OR

D. The correct spell is out, it's different for every user and there is no clue.
E. The correct spell is out, it's the same for all users, and there is no clue.

I'm hoping strongly for E. It's semi-logical. After all this, there's one task that all must work together towards, but is easy when all work together to do it.

Any is possible though.

anjuna · #34 Post by **anjuna** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:32 am

Raza wrote:
anjuna wrote:Don't you worry about 20, I can't think of a Wiz way to do it yet but that does not necessarily mean that going through 81.000.000.000.000.000 would be slower than the 4 days and 20 hours I spent on the Water Plant.

I'm not sure you realise quite how many combinations that is. For reference, that means that if every human in the world would try 10 million combinations we'd have covered a little under three quarters. Loading 20 pages for each, that's many times more than neopets' total pageload since its creation.

Maybe you don't realise how many can be a *sequence* versus a *combination* and how someone so "mathemetical" can spend 4 days and 20 hours in a Water Plant before *having* to automate something.

Sorry to sound harsh, but sequences are far greater than combinations in numbers alone, and it is not inconceivable someone would have to use such to succeed in a time range less than or equal to the plot end time.

On that note, if one has millions of sequence OR combination, the TIME to find such still has to be finite. It can be slower or faster depending. In a Neopets plot, millions of sequences + millions of minds (+ ONE PROGRAMMER LOL) :oops:

still equals = finding that answer in a MUCH shorter amount of time than THEORETICALLY.

fifthmonkee · #35 Post by **fifthmonkee** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:34 am

I've been working off of the assumption that each constellation has its own corresponding spell result. For instance "confused looking Kadaotie" represents the Gatherer.

So far, I've only matched 7 out of 12.

It's an unlikely solution, but I haven't come up with anything better on which to waste my time.

neomania · #36 Post by **neomania** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:37 am

fifth: i thought that too. can someone post all of the 20 spells?

pezx2k · #37 Post by **pezx2k** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:39 am

spudge wrote:
pezx2k wrote:Yea. Either:

A. What we have now is to keep us busy and the correct spell isnt out.
B. The correct spell is out and there's an unfound clue that leads us to it.
C. Face reality. There is no spell.

OR

D. The correct spell is out, it's different for every user and there is no clue.
E. The correct spell is out, it's the same for all users, and there is no clue.

I'm hoping strongly for E. It's semi-logical. After all this, there's one task that all must work together towards, but is easy when all work together to do it.

Any is possible though.

Well based on past plots, I'm strongly against the belief that TNT would make us work together, and that theres no clue.
There's always a clue, regardless if it gets found. A lot of times their clues are weak and tkae a lot of guessing to get to the next point, nevertheless theres a clue.

anjuna · #38 Post by **anjuna** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:46 am

pezx2k wrote:Well based on past plots, I'm strongly against the belief that TNT would make us work together, and that theres no clue.
There's always a clue, regardless if it gets found. A lot of times their clues are weak and tkae a lot of guessing to get to the next point, nevertheless theres a clue.

Heh, like your Maraqua siggy. Anyway, I agree. Well always working together, that is obvious at this point, but also regarding clue vs. that.

Usually it is in the form of a pattern of posting of results. The 20 were posted some while back anyway, sorry I haven't the link but was "recent."

EDIT: It still begs, if only 20 then what combination or sequence, though.

great_seraphim · #39 Post by **great_seraphim** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:49 am

anjuna wrote:
pezx2k wrote:Well based on past plots, I'm strongly against the belief that TNT would make us work together, and that theres no clue.
There's always a clue, regardless if it gets found. A lot of times their clues are weak and tkae a lot of guessing to get to the next point, nevertheless theres a clue.

Heh, like your Maraqua siggy. Anyway, I agree. Well always working together, that is obvious at this point, but also regarding clue vs. that.

Usually it is in the form of a pattern of posting of results. The 20 were posted some while back anyway, sorry I haven't the link but was "recent."

EDIT: It still begs, if only 20 then what combination or sequence, though.

What are you talking about? None of that made any sense to me at all.

EDIT: oh ok, it took me a minute. The 20 different results you can get for a spell. I haven't been watching the forums here for a while and missed out on this whole 'combination/sequence of spell results' thing.

cruelly_innocent · Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:50 am

hello everyone..last time I asked for help it was with the Farmer constellation, and then a was able to do it all by myself with the guide, but now I can't get the numbers for the book room 'cause I can't understand how to do it (english is hard for me..math even worse), I finally give up, could somebody help me?

great_seraphim · #41 Post by **great_seraphim** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:51 am

cruelly_innocent wrote:hello everyone..last time I asked for help it was with the Farmer constellation, and then a was able to do it all by myself with the guide, but now I can't get the numbers for the book room 'cause I can't understand how to do it (english is hard for me..math even worse), I finally give up, could somebody help me?

I can help. Remember the first constellation (the Sleeper)? You need to get the coordinates of that constellation. If you give them to me I can get you your room. Just post em here or whatever.

anjuna · #42 Post by **anjuna** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:51 am

great_seraphim wrote:
anjuna wrote:
pezx2k wrote:Well based on past plots, I'm strongly against the belief that TNT would make us work together, and that theres no clue.
There's always a clue, regardless if it gets found. A lot of times their clues are weak and tkae a lot of guessing to get to the next point, nevertheless theres a clue.

Heh, like your Maraqua siggy. Anyway, I agree. Well always working together, that is obvious at this point, but also regarding clue vs. that.

Usually it is in the form of a pattern of posting of results. The 20 were posted some while back anyway, sorry I haven't the link but was "recent."

EDIT: It still begs, if only 20 then what combination or sequence, though.

What are you talking about? None of that made any sense to me at all.

Apologies, I read wrong to begin with then confused someone. What I meant to say is that TNT always encourages us to work together, of course.

Now if there are ONLY 20 "results" from any of the 50k++ spells, it seems like that would mean a finite *sequence* of 20 or less. That is not so impossible. Theoretcal math is far out, but people working together saves time. This I know.

Ange · #43 Post by **Ange** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:52 am

cruelly_innocent wrote:hello everyone..last time I asked for help it was with the Farmer constellation, and then a was able to do it all by myself with the guide, but now I can't get the numbers for the book room 'cause I can't understand how to do it (english is hard for me..math even worse), I finally give up, could somebody help me?

There is another thread devoted to the math part of it

There should be people there that can help you with it!

On a side note, I don't think I could handle math in another language either, lol.

great_seraphim · #44 Post by **great_seraphim** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:54 am

Yeah I got it now, thanks. It could be that each person has a certain unique sequence of the 20 spell results.

Of course there aren't enough unique sequences of spells for everyone to have a unique one, but with 20 different spell results, there is still a huge list of possible sequences.

#45 Post by **theonlysaneone** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:54 am

anjuna wrote:
great_seraphim wrote:
anjuna wrote:
pezx2k wrote:Well based on past plots, I'm strongly against the belief that TNT would make us work together, and that theres no clue.
There's always a clue, regardless if it gets found. A lot of times their clues are weak and tkae a lot of guessing to get to the next point, nevertheless theres a clue.

Heh, like your Maraqua siggy. Anyway, I agree. Well always working together, that is obvious at this point, but also regarding clue vs. that.

Usually it is in the form of a pattern of posting of results. The 20 were posted some while back anyway, sorry I haven't the link but was "recent."

EDIT: It still begs, if only 20 then what combination or sequence, though.

What are you talking about? None of that made any sense to me at all.

Apologies, I read wrong to begin with then confused someone. What I meant to say is that TNT always encourages us to work together, of course.

Now if there are ONLY 20 "results" from any of the 50k++ spells, it seems like that would mean a finite *sequence* of 20 or less. That is not so impossible. Theoritcal math is far out, but people working together saves time. This I know.

TNT encourages us to work together, but they wouldn't REQUIRE it, because some of the younger users aren't allowed on, say, the Neoboards.