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This, most likely, is obvious to 99% of everyone, but for the 1% who didn't think of it-- you can work on more than 1 ingredient at a time. This will save a little bit of time.


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What kind of colours have you all seen when mixing?

I have this one right now
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It appears to have a ghost glow. This is how my second composition for level 3 looks like. How does your second composition on level 3 look like?


my second one looks like that also.

I have a theory for the first but I need to go to bed and can't work on it. If any one would like to try::
mixing ingredients with +values with ingredients with - values to get zeros as answers. I don't even know if it is possible... Maybe I will try tomorrow if the answer isn't found yet.


mine looks like that, but blue. it still has the ghost-like mist around it too. i combined crushed jurpleberries, sharp whatever, baggus stuff, and leafy thingie, each 3g. and no, getting 25g of crushed jurpleberries with 180 of each attribute does not work...


Mine looked like that after adding third ingridient. After adding the fourth it is just plain blue ???


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I've got to stick myself with the people who didn't really get the whole formulae thing.

SO what I'm doing is I'm getting out combinations of an ingredient and setting them going. Then, add all the values up and divide by the number of ingredients. How close is it to the desired total? Need some more? Okay...*sets things going again*...and so on. Admittedly this method is mainly because I added two of my ingredients together before I realised it averaged out. But it's sort of working. Although it's hit and miss and a lot of guesswork it does appear to be working and isn't stressing me out.

That is....until I go over the value of course ;)

It's also giving me time to max out in the battledome just in case it's still counting.


I'm not sure how much it's been mentioned before, but I will share my method of the formula. My formula was set up like so:

Aa + Bb + Cc + Dd = (T *(A+B+C))

Where upper case letters are your masses and the lower case letters are your power concentrations (e.g. Divination 50). T is your target power concentration.

So, for example you need 12 grams of 85 Divination. Decide ahead of time how many masses you want to use. Say, 4 grams of 3 ingredients. Your equation looks like this:

4a + 4b + 4c = 85*12 = 1020

From there you can work your ingredients one at a time. This is more time consuming, but it is much more precise than guesswork. You should try to overshoot with your first ingredient so lets say you get 100 Divination for your first ingredient. Your equation now looks like this:

4*100 + 4b + 4c = 1020
4b + 4c = 1020 - 400 = 620

You can now add Ingredient 1 to a composition and forget about it forever, using your new value (620) for the next two. You then try your hardest but only manage to get 60 Divination out of your next ingredient. The equation becomes this:

4*60 + 4c = 620
4c = 620 - 240 = 380

Now we know that 4c must equal 380, so your final power concentration needs to be 95 (380/4). I like this method because it allows you to work in easy, no-guessing steps and you can stop worrying about an ingredient completely once you feel you have a satisfactory concentration, instead of trying to juggle 3 or 4 ingredients at once. The process goes a little slower since you are running fewer processes on the ingredients at once (I stuck with only 1-3 ingredients at a time), but it saves time in the long run since you're so less likely to make an error. Things get a little trickier in Step 3, but it's still relatively easy; you just have to keep up with two equations at once.


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Okay I'll try that way...seeing as I did manage to overshoot it in the end :oops:


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Composite #1:
Quantity: 19 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +41 +/- 5

Composite #2:
Quantity: 25 grams
Relevant property: Enchantment
Target value: +85 +/- 5

So, do we try to fulfill Composite #1 first or fulfill both together? Doesn't really make sense to me...


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sily_sicily wrote:
Composite #1:
Quantity: 19 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +41 +/- 5

Composite #2:
Quantity: 25 grams
Relevant property: Enchantment
Target value: +85 +/- 5

So, do we try to fulfill Composite #1 first or fulfill both together? Doesn't really make sense to me...


You'll end up with two composites that you throw in the pot at the end, one with 19g and one with 25g. Be careful when adding ingredients that you select the correct composite to add it to first!


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More on the colour theory: forget it.

4 grams Crushed Jurpleberries +2 div, +71 enc creates Blue Image (comp_c_4e86335214.gif)

Now, I still believe the colour combining may be true.

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Defintions:

LC == Logically Correct (hence not Lenny Conundrum)
ODB == Oops, Done Before (safe to ignore; added for completion)

What is interesting is this

A (Red) + B (Yellow) == AB (Orange); LC
A (Red) + C (Blue) == AC (Purple); LC
A (Red + D (Glowing Green) == AD (???); The Smoking Gun!

B (Yellow) + A (Red) == ODB
B (Yellow) + C (Blue) == BC (Bright Green); LC
B (Yellow) + D (Glowing Green) == BD (Glowing Yellow); LC

C (Blue) + A (Red) == ODB
C (Blue) + B (Yellow) == ODB
C (Blue) + D (Glowing Green) == CD (Glowing Blue); LC

D (Glowing Light Green) + A (Red) == ODB
D (Glowing Light Green) + B == ODB
D (Glowing Light Green) + C == ODB

If anyone sees a colour I haven't listed or sees a link which contains comp_ad_*.gif (e.g. http://images.neopets.com/halloween/hwp ... p_ad_*.gif ) I'd like to hear from you.

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Since AD is missing is tried to combine A with D. This created no image; see hereunder. I did this:

2 gram Crushed Jurpleberries with +24 con, got A (Red)
10 gram Crushed Jurpleberries with +5 pow, got D (Glowing Light Green)

Together, no image. And it says "Miscellaneous Composition"; one could assume it'd say "Spectral Essence" when it was correct (so we don't have to rererereretry).

Interestingly, Composite #2:

Quantity: 12 grams
Relevant property: Power
Target value: +78 +/- 3
Relevant property: Divination
Target value: +78 +/- 3


So only pow matches, not con. May or may not be related. I'm going to try try 78 con with 78 pow.


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Here is a VERY detailed list of what i did on Composition 1 :)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6343/composition1zh1.gif

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Six tries and I finally managed to get the right amount for comp 1. I was naughty, though ^.^; if you create one composite at the right amount and split it, you then have two composites at the right amount. I have no idea if this works after level one, but I am so pleased. Now I can sleep. :)

And for anyone who is interested, my amount was 5grams +66+/-5 so I

2grams bumroot: burned, crushed

3grams bumroot: burned crushed

This brought them both to 66 and then I split 1gram from 3gram and combined them.

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I swear I did number 2 right...
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Well I woke up and thought I'd see if we got past the fighting stage and yes we have lol I managed to do the first level and got the hairless meowclops but Im stuck on the level 2 Ive read everything and its just not making sense to me....
I picked Leafy slorgblossom Got 10g and a 6g but it takes both Conjuring AND Enchantment up together is this supposed to happen??
This is what I need

Composite #1:

Quantity: 16 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +45 +/- 5

Composite #2:

Quantity: 25 grams
Relevant property: Enchantment
Target value: +87 +/- 5

Composite 2 cannot contain more than 10 grams of any one basic ingredient.

Maybe Im looking at it wrong and making it twice as hard but its just not sinking in at all


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Question --

We can't use more than three composites for level one? I tried and it wouldn't let me create a fourth composite.


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Well I woke up and thought I'd see if we got past the fighting stage and yes we have lol I managed to do the first level and got the hairless meowclops but Im stuck on the level 2 Ive read everything and its just not making sense to me....
I picked Leafy slorgblossom Got 10g and a 6g but it takes both Conjuring AND Enchantment up together is this supposed to happen??
This is what I need

Composite #1:

Quantity: 16 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +45 +/- 5

Composite #2:

Quantity: 25 grams
Relevant property: Enchantment
Target value: +87 +/- 5

Composite 2 cannot contain more than 10 grams of any one basic ingredient.

Maybe Im looking at it wrong and making it twice as hard but its just not sinking in at all


I would work with 2 separate ingredients for #1. You do need to work with 3 separate ingredients in #2.

You only work towards the value of the TARGET Property for that composition.

You make #1 first - don't put it in the cauldron.
Make #2 - getting the right value for it's property (Enchantment).

When you have #1 and #2 done, put both in cauldron.


All properties of the ingredients will rise and fall, but you are only looking for the value of one.


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Please someone help me! :cry:

I'm desparate. I don't understand any of this. I've read though all of the thread and the walk though, but it might as well be in a foreign language. I don't understand math. AT ALL. I'm so upset! I really don't want to have to give up on this plot, but I simply can't do this! D:

I'm stuck on the first one. My requirements were:
Quantity: 5 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +69 +/- 5

So I had 5 grams of Bagguss Pulp, and I got conjuring to +64, threw it in the caulren and I got the bubbling black goo of doom. What am I doing wrong?


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I am stunned when it comes to math and stuff like this,,


I need to get the target value to 40 and I have 4 ingredients

they are at 27, 39, 10 and 42...

I have no idea when to combine them so they will equal 40...can anyone help me out (and speak slow and stuff cause I dont get the letters with the * sign or anything like that, wonder how I ever graduated High school without knowing this crap)


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