Heroes (split)

[Bangel]

Wow. Just wow.

Was anyone else completely freaked out when Jackie died? How they had to show close ups of all the blood rolling down her face? Seriously... whoa. I was sort of multi tasking during the episode, but at that point I put everything else down at just started watching.

Is Claire's dad evil? I can't even tell/remember anymore. He forced Eden to put Isaac on drugs, which was fairly evil, but his intent was to save his daughter. Right?

The only negative part of this episode was that it lacked significant amounts of Hiro.

And poor, poor Peter. :(

[Dragonfire]

Wow. Just wow.

Was anyone else completely freaked out when Jackie died? How they had to show close ups of all the blood rolling down her face? Seriously... whoa. I was sort of multi tasking during the episode, but at that point I put everything else down at just started watching.

Is Claire's dad evil? I can't even tell/remember anymore. He forced Eden to put Isaac on drugs, which was fairly evil, but his intent was to save his daughter. Right?

The only negative part of this episode was that it lacked significant amounts of Hiro.

And poor, poor Peter.

Noooooo, HRG isn't evil. I think the writers portrayed him as evil to confuse everyone. He's good, but he may just do whatever it takes, even if it isn't exactly good.

And yeah, the scene with Jackie was kinda... cool, but sad and gross at the same time. I knew she was gonna die, I just didn't think they would show Sylar cutting her head open. And the amount of blood that came out is realistic, because there's lots of blood vessels on that part of the head. But overall I still liked the last parts of the episode.

[Christopher]

Did Mohinder ever hear the name Sylar, cause he typed it in on the computer. I can't remember if he did.

[Blk Mage]

Did Mohinder ever hear the name Sylar, cause he typed it in on the computer. I can't remember if he did.

Yep, i believe he found a tape called "Sylar" and found documents about him in his dad's office. Also the whole room fiasco as well.

And HRG i believe is good, but just seems to use very extreme ways to get what he wants which borderlines on evil. I believe mohinder will become an prof. x type character, while HRG might be the whole magneto(when he is portrayed in a positive light that is) part of it.

[Skynetmain]

... while HRG might be the whole magneto(when he is portrayed in a positive light that is) part of it.

Quit tempting me with Magneto! He is the coolest mutant! I want them to get Magneto now!

[Christopher]

Did Mohinder ever hear the name Sylar, cause he typed it in on the computer. I can't remember if he did.

Yep, i believe he found a tape called "Sylar" and found documents about him in his dad's office. Also the whole room fiasco as well.

And HRG i believe is good, but just seems to use very extreme ways to get what he wants which borderlines on evil. I believe mohinder will become an prof. x type character, while HRG might be the whole magneto(when he is portrayed in a positive light that is) part of it.

Oh yeah, the creepy voice tape.

[Susannahmio]

The indian kid was a hero that Mohinders father found in India. He has the power to enter peoples dreams and help control there destinys.

I think Sylar couldn't control Eden with his hand becasue she has the ability to control people too. and got to him first before he had the chance.

I love blood and guts in just about any situation!

[PTP]

The fact that they showed Jackie getting her head cut open AND that the last word out of her mouth was, "Run," I think proves she was a good person deep down and let her jealousy of Claire get in the way of their friendship.

Poor Jackie .. what a horrible way to die!

[The Wonder Weezel]

Yeah, ive gotta say that whole bleeding effect from Jackie was pretty amazing.... that REALLY got you into it.

Peter really starts to look like a hero in this last episode... which actually makes me dissapointed that he DIDNT die, because it would have made for a good story ... man his brother is really starting to look like a jerk though.... Im really eager to find out more about his brothers whole position in this story.... is he going to be a bad guy or what?

I still want to make sure i have my characters straight... i tend to write out lists so i can have it in front of me as i read a book or something to help me follow along. So weve got:

Claire Bennet - Spontaneous Regeneration
Hiro Nakamura - Manipulates Time and Space
Niki Sanders / Jessica Sanders - Switchable Alter-Ego
D.L. Hawkins - Phasing
Micah Sanders - Healing Powers ( would you say this is accurate?)
Issac Mendez - Percieves the future in paint form but only with the help of Heroin
Nathan Petrelli - Flight
Peter Petrelli - Temporary Power mimicry
Matt Parkman - Telepathy
Theodore "Ted" Sprague - Emits Heat/Radiation
Charlie - She can memorize all things instantly, and recall them instantly.
Sylar - Telekenises

Debatable Characters to add to the list (read things below) (should they be added and considered one of the superhuman power possessors?)
The Haitian - Can erase memories
Sanjog Iyer - Can Enter Dreams

Charlie is currently dead, but Hiro is to go back and save her.
Issac is supposed to die in the near future by the Haitian unless they can find a way to save him.



Some topics I would like to bring up:


1) Okay, here's one debatable subject.
I think Nikki's Sanders powers are much more complex than we think. I think we can easily compare her to the incredible hulk. Im sorry, I dont know the name of the character who turns into the hulk, but the guy who IS the hulk doesnt have any powers except that he can turn into the hulk, which then has powers.
I think Nikki is similar. Nikkis power is to turn into Jessica. Jessica has Superhuman Strenght. The only way nikki can get greater power is to turn into jessica, which obviously can also have negative conciquences. Also, we can note that the power has more control over nikki than nikki has control of her power. Jessica can easily take control of Nikki and most times.

Would you guys say this is an accurate depiction of Nikki Sanders?

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2) Can somebody explain to me whats going on with Mohinders family? I have some theories, but i want to make sure i have my facts straight first.

Is this correct story:
Mohinders dad, Chandra, and his wife had two kids... Mohinder and Shanti, who was two years older. Shanti died of a untold-to-us cause, and Chandra thought that she was extra-special, that she had some superpowers, which made him study superhuman powers.

Now Mohinders Dad, Chandra, is dead, persumably killed by Sylar. Mohinder is learning his past, his mother is at home, and his sister is long dead and had powers that we dont even need to know about because shes dead anyway.

Mohinder apparently has NO POWERS...... but, there is a kid named Sanjog Iyer, (This kid: ) who is of NO relation to their family, whatsover, but Mohinders dad knew had some of these "Special powers", and obvserved him very closely , especially since his daughter died and this kid Sanjog is his only proof that there might me powers. Sanjog probably be added to the list of people with powers, as he is a 12 or 13 year old boy who has the power to enter peoples dreams to help guide them as he pleases.


Can somebody back this up or correct me please? this is the only part of the show that confuses me now.

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3) So we should assume that Charlie chick DOES have powers, which are memorization powers, which is why the second she was recognized as somebody with powers, she was killed? Are we supposed to assume the Haitian killed her, not Sylar?

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4) What all do we know about the The Haitian guy other than he works for Mr. Bennet, and:
---Somehow erases some peoples memories
-- Kidnaps other certain people with powers and does SOMETHING to them for 2 days, then releases them with a mark on their neck (which he has apparently done to Matt, Sylar, and Theodore?)

Does he have superhuman powers, or is he just a drone? or creepy? or what?
Here are my theories:
a) He has the power to absorb thoughts. Like the A-Hole quarterback.. he just walked up to him and stole his memories without having to kill him.
b) he apparently had something to do with Sylar. Do you think they GAVE sylar his powers and then let him out in the world? Maybe thats why they are trying to find theses people with powers, not just to kill them because they have powers, but to steal them and give them to sylar? WHATS THEIR CONNECTION TO SYLAR?

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5) Mr. Bennet is probably a character who is actually a GOOD guy, but will do WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO, EVEN BAD THINGS, to get what he needs done done. Yes?

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6) Allright, this chick :
Eden McCain

She is OBVIOUSLY working undercover for Mr. Bennett.
Do you think she has powers? Does she have hypnosis powers? Are they restricted to words? (like she can use her voice to put people into trances or do her bidding, but she cant wave her hand and get the same reaction...) or is she just really sneaky and good with words? I think its possible she might be one of the superhumans. Should she be added to the list? what do you think about her?

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7) The more i think about it, the more i think we can start to define Sylar. I think he might NOT have a crapload of powers, but has Telekinesis as a main power, and has very STRONG telekinises powers.... so he can move ANYTHING with his mind/brain/hands. What do you think of this theory?


think some of these things through. I think they provide some great discussion.

[Dragonfire]

Claire Bennet - Spontaneous Regeneration
Hiro Nakamura - Manipulates Time and Space
Niki Sanders / Jessica Sanders - Switchable Alter-Ego
D.L. Hawkins - Phasing
Micah Sanders - Healing Powers ( would you say this is accurate?)
Issac Mendez - Percieves the future in paint form but only with the help of Heroin
Nathan Petrelli - Flight
Peter Petrelli - Temporary Power mimicry
Matt Parkman - Telepathy
Theodore "Ted" Sprague - Emits Heat/Radiation
Charlie - She can memorize all things instantly, and recall them instantly.
Sylar - Telekenises

Okay, Niki/Jessica also has super strength. Some people are thinking that NIKI has super strength, but only Jessica will use it or something.

Also, Micah does NOT have healing powers. As far as we know, he's super smart (but not in the same way as Charlie), and he has the ability to fix electronics super fast (since he fixed the broken phone outside the hotel).

Isaac can paint the future without heroin, but right now he has to use it. HRG and Eden are trying to help him paint the future without it.

Issac is supposed to die in the near future by the Haitian unless they can find a way to save him.

Where did you read/see that? The Haitian is with HRG, and HRG is good, so why would HRG want to kill Isaac?

1) Okay, here's one debatable subject.
I think Nikki's Sanders powers are much more complex than we think. I think we can easily compare her to the incredible hulk. Im sorry, I dont know the name of the character who turns into the hulk, but the guy who IS the hulk doesnt have any powers except that he can turn into the hulk, which then has powers.
I think Nikki is similar. Nikkis power is to turn into Jessica. Jessica has Superhuman Strenght. The only way nikki can get greater power is to turn into jessica, which obviously can also have negative conciquences. Also, we can note that the power has more control over nikki than nikki has control of her power. Jessica can easily take control of Nikki and most times.

Would you guys say this is an accurate depiction of Nikki Sanders?

Okay, to clear things up... Some people on 9thwonders.com are saying that Niki's power is simply super strength, and then Jessica spontaneously takes over her body so she can use the super strength. Niki is just too passive and won't use super strength, and Jessica is the aggressive side. Some people have also said that Jessica's power is to enter people's minds (when she was alive) a la Professor X in X3.

2) Can somebody explain to me whats going on with Mohinders family? I have some theories, but i want to make sure i have my facts straight first.

Is this correct story:
Mohinders dad, Chandra, and his wife had two kids... Mohinder and Shanti, who was two years older. Shanti died of a untold-to-us cause, and Chandra thought that she was extra-special, that she had some superpowers, which made him study superhuman powers.

Now Mohinders Dad, Chandra, is dead, persumably killed by Sylar. Mohinder is learning his past, his mother is at home, and his sister is long dead and had powers that we dont even need to know about because shes dead anyway.

Mohinder apparently has NO POWERS...... but, there is a kid named Sanjog Iyer, (This kid: ) who is of NO relation to their family, whatsover, but Mohinders dad knew had some of these "Special powers", and obvserved him very closely , especially since his daughter died and this kid Sanjog is his only proof that there might me powers. Sanjog probably be added to the list of people with powers, as he is a 12 or 13 year old boy who has the power to enter peoples dreams to help guide them as he pleases.

Can somebody back this up or correct me please? this is the only part of the show that confuses me now.

From what I've seen, that's pretty much it. I see Sanjog as one of the "prophets" of the show (the other being Isaac).

3) So we should assume that Charlie chick DOES have powers, which are memorization powers, which is why the second she was recognized as somebody with powers, she was killed? Are we supposed to assume the Haitian killed her, not Sylar?

Why do you keep thinking the Haitian is bad; he's not because he's currently controlled by HRG. Sylar is the one who killed Charlie because he probably knew where she was (remember the map with the pushpins?). And the way she died shows it was Sylar (also the fact that he was wearing the same clothes in the diner).

4) What all do we know about the The Haitian guy other than he works for Mr. Bennet, and:
---Somehow erases some peoples memories
-- Kidnaps other certain people with powers and does SOMETHING to them for 2 days, then releases them with a mark on their neck (which he has apparently done to Matt, Sylar, and Theodore?)

Does he have superhuman powers, or is he just a drone? or creepy? or what?
Here are my theories:
a) He has the power to absorb thoughts. Like the A-Hole quarterback.. he just walked up to him and stole his memories without having to kill him.
b) he apparently had something to do with Sylar. Do you think they GAVE sylar his powers and then let him out in the world? Maybe thats why they are trying to find theses people with powers, not just to kill them because they have powers, but to steal them and give them to sylar? WHATS THEIR CONNECTION TO SYLAR?

The Haitian can erase people's memories, and he takes them to HRG who does something to them and puts that mark on them. And as far as I know, Sylar does not have that mark.

My theory is that Sylar was Patient Zero, meaning he was the way to find the other heroes. So possibly

And HRG and his people are NOT evil. He is 100% good, he just does whatever it takes, even if it's a bit shady. Again, he is not evil.

5) Mr. Bennet is probably a character who is actually a GOOD guy, but will do WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO, EVEN BAD THINGS, to get what he needs done done. Yes?

As I said above, yes. Thus, for right now, the Haitian and Eden are good.

6) Allright, this chick :
Eden McCain

She is OBVIOUSLY working undercover for Mr. Bennett.
Do you think she has powers? Does she have hypnosis powers? Are they restricted to words? (like she can use her voice to put people into trances or do her bidding, but she cant wave her hand and get the same reaction...) or is she just really sneaky and good with words? I think its possible she might be one of the superhumans. Should she be added to the list? what do you think about her?

She has the power of persuasion, which we see with her and Isaac, as well as Sylar. This also leads us to believe that she was trying to persuade Mohinder to continue his research (so HRG can know the location of more heroes), but Mohinder went back to India. So, she should be added to the list.

7) The more i think about it, the more i think we can start to define Sylar. I think he might NOT have a crapload of powers, but has Telekinesis as a main power, and has very STRONG telekinises powers.... so he can move ANYTHING with his mind/brain/hands. What do you think of this theory?

That's the general consensus, he has strong telekinesis powers which explains his ability to fly, to control the FBI agent's hand, to be able to cut their heads open, etc. However, the whole body freezing hasn't been explained yet.

[Kenjiro]

Niki Sanders / Jessica Sanders - Switchable Alter-Ego
Micah Sanders - Healing Powers ( would you say this is accurate?)

Nikki/jessica - I don't know about the Super Strength part for Jessica.. She displayed some pretty violent and powerful moves, but nothing that suggests super strength so far.. And as for the comparison, well I dislike comparisons from the start, because people tend to judge them on the differences, but I'd say it's closer to Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, than Bruce (O bannon I think?) and the Hulk

Micah - smart and perceptive. But is that a superpower? He could just be very intelligent for his age. As for his real power, he made the phone work, but when D.L. picked it up it was defective again. Perhaps he fixes things temporarily?

Oh yeah, Claire's father. Why is everyone now suddenly convinced he's good? Just because he wants to save his daughter, doesn't make him a saint all of a sudden. He kidnaps "heroes", does things with them and then makes them forget it. He's not pure evil like Sylar, I'll grant you that. But if you ask me, Claire's dad is like a greedy businessman, grabbing oppertunities whenever he can without any moralities, except for his own family

[Dragonfire]

Niki Sanders / Jessica Sanders - Switchable Alter-Ego
Micah Sanders - Healing Powers ( would you say this is accurate?)

Nikki/jessica - I don't know about the Super Strength part for Jessica.. She displayed some pretty violent and powerful moves, but nothing that suggests super strength so far.. And as for the comparison, well I dislike comparisons from the start, because people tend to judge them on the differences, but I'd say it's closer to Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, than Bruce (O bannon I think?) and the Hulk

Micah - smart and perceptive. But is that a superpower? He could just be very intelligent for his age. As for his real power, he made the phone work, but when D.L. picked it up it was defective again. Perhaps he fixes things temporarily?

Oh yeah, Claire's father. Why is everyone now suddenly convinced he's good? Just because he wants to save his daughter, doesn't make him a saint all of a sudden. He kidnaps "heroes", does things with them and then makes them forget it. He's not pure evil like Sylar, I'll grant you that. But if you ask me, Claire's dad is like a greedy businessman, grabbing oppertunities whenever he can without any moralities, except for his own family

Niki/Jessica definitely has super strength, that's for sure. Remember, she ripped apart the people in her garage and at the poker game, AND she threw D.L. across the room. D.L. is a full-grown man, and you'd have to have super strength to do that.

Micah's power definitely is super-intelligence, because he knew what his mom was doing in the garage, he knew about Jessica, and maybe branching off of his super-intelligence is his ability to fix electronics temporarily. Remember, he was able to take apart that radio and mess with it, and that was permanent. My theory is the reason why the phone didn't work is that he didn't have time to open it up, so he used some weird power to make it work temporarily, or maybe he had it working permanently but he quickly made it break when he saw his dad coming.

HRG is most definitely good. This is easy to see because whenever he talks about Claire (for example when he tells Isaac that girl is his daughter), the emotion in his voice is enough to know that he honestly cares about her and that he's good. Also, the fact that he tried to keep her from going to Homecoming. And most likely, the "things" he does to them basically is refining their powers, because it was a little easier for Matt to use his powers after he was abducted.

[Susannahmio]

I think alot of these debates will be resolved tomorrow night when we go back 6 months. But I tend to agree with Dragonfire. Hrg is good. He is helping the heroes refine there powers with Eden's and the Haitian's help.

I still believe that Niki's power is not alter-ego but super-strength.

In case anyone didn't see the next shows preview, spoiler warning:

Jessica is Niki's sister who died in 82 and she comes out in Niki when her Father asks her to do something. This all happened 6 months ago.

I think Jessica is the result of multiple personality disorder that Niki uses as a way to deal with the discovery of her power. This theory will be proved or disproved tomorrow.

Micah has the power to not necessaily fix things but mend them temporarily with his touch. It is still posible he could have a healing power. We'll have to wait and see. He is a bit of a genius but that is not a power.

The Haitian is not evil.

[Christopher]

Since Nikkis sister is dead, I think it makes more sense that Nikki herself has no powers at all besides to give control to Jessica, who has super military ability (not just super strength - unless she trains with a sniper rifle at night when Nikki is 'asleep').

[Susannahmio]

Since Nikkis sister is dead, I think it makes more sense that Nikki herself has no powers at all besides to give control to Jessica, who has super military ability (not just super strength - unless she trains with a sniper rifle at night when Nikki is 'asleep').

Good point about the rifle, hadn't thought about that. Although she has had these abilities for 6 months and thats enough time for Jessica to have practiced alot of things.