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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:25 pm 
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How can the Lenny Conundrum, which sometimes contains high school and college level math, be in the For Kids section o_O


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Not a clue, unless they're gonna dumb it down lots. @.@ Eww..

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I don't see how the colors are too bright. Course, I never understand when posters think colors are too bright unless it's a really garish fluorescent thing like the Disco pets. I agree that the layout is a bit cartoonish. I'd actually kinda like a black and white type theme.


It's more the thing that they have all three primary colors. XD Hurts my eyes.


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How can the Lenny Conundrum, which sometimes contains high school and college level math, be in the For Kids section o_O


I would assume it's in that section because whoever catagorized the games only knew that you had to put in an answer, therefore making it "easy" to play the game.


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I have to say, and I usually like a change, that I liked it the way it was. :( The room itself hurts my eyes. Darn those primary colors!

**edit: how do i get to my beloved stock market???**


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I don't think I'll ever get used to the look of the Games Master, though. And this's coming from someone who absolutely adores every Blumaroo in existence.

ditto. That is the fugliest blumaroo ever. They add one to the site, and it looks like THAT!? *barf*

Anyhow this is what I send to TNT in the comments/bug reports box:

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Whew! Comments and a bug report all in one. First, the bug report: The "Back to the games room" button needs to be moved down a line or two, because the mouseover info pops up all mixed with the link. Image below. I think this is important because we're not used to the new images, and we actually need to be able to SEE the mouseover text.

http://www.thedrehers.net/games_room_mo ... roblem.jpg

Ok, now the comments: First of all... I like the look! The new "folder" shaped, brightly colored (yay, not just yellow) borders complement your style. The medallions are pretty, though I'm not sure what they signify, if anything. I love being able to rate games! Being able to see my all time high score along with this month's, right on the game page without going to my game scores, is nice, as is being able to see others' high scores. Definitely a great step!! The expandable descriptions on the individual game pages are nice, too.

However, I have a couple complaints. Most of them have to do with poor and "mystery meat" navigation. In fact, almost everything I'm about to mention is a cardinal sin on http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com, a great web design instruction manual for corporate sites, where your customers have a specific goal in mind.

First of all, this page: http://www.neopets.com/games/arcade.phtml .... You don't even have a link to all the different game categories! If I want to play a game, you have now added a click for me. I click "games" and if I don't have a game name to type in, I am forced to go either to action (the category of the featured game) or to the new releases. Why can't you put all the categories on the front page?! That is so aggravating! *tears out hair* If you read my normal customer service submissions you will know I am normally not emotional when submitting, but I think this was a TERRIBLE design flaw and I'm shocked it passed the approval process!!!

Secondly, I couldn't figure out how to get to a different category of game, besides to type in the url replacing "action" with "puzzle"..."luck"... oh wait, that didn't work either, because the names got changed! I finally had to type in the name of a luck game, and then click on its little icon.

So if I want to browse a category of games, I have to click games --> type in game name from that category, assuming I know one --> click the "game type" icon in that game's description... OR click games --> hope that when scrolling through the category that comes up, there will be a game that also sits in the category I WANT --> look at every game until I can find one and click it.

Navigation should be SIMPLIFIED, made to happen in the fewest clicks possible without gumming up your main page.

Now for the icons.
1. They are ALL the same color, even when they signify different things.
2. You are getting much more generic on the pictures. I particularly dislike the "My high scores" button.
3. You don't have mouseover descriptions on most of them, so the only way to know what that icon means is to look at the status bar - if you are web savvy enough to know how to do that.
4. The Puzzle games icon looks like a Teletubby. The Little Kids games icon looks like aliens dancing. The Luck icon looks... like a REALLY funky die. In all three, the proportions are weird.
6. I would NOT have thought of little kids seeing that icon. I suppose a pacifier icon would be a little offensive, huh? But still....

Next, you have a dropdown for what size the game will show on my screen, but nowhere does it actually SAY what the dropdown will do. This is also awkward because the dropdown is directly above the medallion and looks like it might be related somehow... but isn't.

Also, the NP ratio listing is missing, so if we were interested in making fast NP... we wouldn't know where to go.

Finally, as long as you are working on stuff, I wonder whether code could be written that would average out the high scores of everyone that has played a particular game, and assign "Beginner/Novice/Amateur/Expert/Master/Grand Master" status based upon that (comparison to others). It might stress out the already deranged code Myncis but since you have already admitted that your evaluation of what is an "easy" or "hard" game may not match what the general public thinks - by allowing us to rate them ourselves.

Oh, and I'd like to point out that I have been on pinkpt.com forums and not a single person has said that the google thing ON WEBPAGES is a good idea. EVERYONE hates it, even those of us who are totally loyal and addicted to Google. Having it in the sidebar is one thing, but putting it on the pages messes those pages up and it's just plain unnecessary! If I want google, 1. I could download their toolbar, 2. I could just open it in another window, which would prevent me from leaving neopets to view googled pages in the window I started in.
One person on pinkpt pointed out, "The google thing really makes me angry too. I think it was you, Meer, who said "If I wanted to search Google, I'd go to Google!" I know it's all about the money...I'm sure Google is paying them to have a Google search function on the site...but what's the point? I love Google search and I'm there all the time, but what in the world would I search for on Neopets (or any site that has the Google search link) that I'd need to search Google for?" Good point! And since you have "Ask.com" search in YOUR toolbar... what is UP with putting google on the site? Are you sure you didn't violate any agreements or something?


The one nice thing about premium is they respond well to that contact form. I almost always get an email back.... eventually.


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I'm kind of surprised at these reactions. Granted, there are a few bugs in the new design, but when aren't there bugs with certain parts of the site? We all call out for change, they do their best (it does look like a lot of work was put into it, that cannot be denied) and we all complain about it. I'm glad they took a little initiative to attempt to make a certain portion of the site up-to-date with the new globe and plots and all that. Maybe we should think about how much work these programmers go through to try to make us all happy...that's not an easy goal at all.


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kiay wrote:
The layout sucks as well, it takes forever to load.


My point exactly. I do have DSL connection but games room and any game entrance page takes around 7 seconds to load (as opposed to a second it took previously). It seams that my Firefox cache just can't remember it contents and reloads everything every single time (the rest of the site runs smoothly as ever).
Sucks very much as games are my main source of np income.

I new TNT would screw this up :x


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Pink: Although I understand your point about cutting TNT some slack when they worked so hard to do something for us, I also feel very frustrated with the lack of functionality. I don't mean bugs, either, I'm talking about the actual design of the thing, especially the navigation. If you put that much work into improving something, it should actually be an improvement!

If you hired someone to clean your house, and they said they found a way to make the house way cleaner, and it turned out they spent 10 times as much time working as they normally did, got it somewhat cleaner, but it turned out the reason it was so clean was that they threw away some of your beloved knickknacks that collected dust, they stuffed things into drawers and now the drawers won't open or close properly, and they put sheets over all your beautiful antique furniture to keep the dog hairs off the cushions so they wouldn't have to vacuum so much next time...

would you be impressed, or would you tell them to make "improvement" decisions that were improvements for you, the user, and not for them, the worker?


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I'm a bit surprised that it appears that this (the new gamesroom) hasn't been beta tested or whatever. I know LJ (yes, I know this is the second time I've done a comparison), sometimes beta's new things with the paid/permaccount users to get feedback before releasing it on the masses. I know that LJ, and neopets try to make everyone happy and try to gauge people, but let's be honest, I think the people that are giving you money maybe should be able to preview these things and give feedback. They are the ones that are most likely to stick around, and also the ones that can cut their funding off if they don't like what you do (I'm not saying that would make a huge deal to Neopets, but still). At the very least, I'm sure there'd still be a stock market link, and the NP to point ratio if some group of players got to see it (at least, I hope they would still be there). For me, the latter is less important than it used to be. I have maybe an hour to play some days which means I try to get the most bang for my buck (so to speak), so I kinda know which games I'm decent at, and which games give out a lot of NP if I do ok in them so it's not a huge deal. But if I have more time on my hands, I don't know which games to try if I don't know that ratio. But for the new games, I have no idea if it's worth it for me to try them or not now.


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I really like it. I actually find it loading much faster, and to be honest, it was a little drab beforehand. Now people can easily find their favourite games (and it actually made me play a few I'd been meaning to for a while), and it is bright and bold. It's nice. *gives Neo a cookie*


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:o Wow... the layout looks entirely commercial, like the kids pages at hotmail and yahoo. i think Neopets is sliding into.. well the beaten path of a kiddy game. For some reason, it reminds me of shockwave.com.


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I'm kind of surprised at these reactions. Granted, there are a few bugs in the new design, but when aren't there bugs with certain parts of the site? We all call out for change, they do their best (it does look like a lot of work was put into it, that cannot be denied) and we all complain about it. I'm glad they took a little initiative to attempt to make a certain portion of the site up-to-date with the new globe and plots and all that. Maybe we should think about how much work these programmers go through to try to make us all happy...that's not an easy goal at all.

Its not the programmers that messed up, its the artists
The whole layout looks like it took less than 30 minutes to do, they could have at least spend a little more time doing the icons.
Image I mean, does this really look like good art to you?
Image They didn't even bother putting to pictures
Image Wow, this must have took such a long time to make [/sarcasm]

Although I do like how all the games are organized by type, the cartoonish rushed look of the game room really turns me off.


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I don't have a problem with the simplicity of the buttons. They are supposed to be quick and to the point

My problem is that it's clear that the art was changed with the goal of appealing to kindergarden kids. Specifically, the thick bold lines and the supersaturated colours. All of these were very intentional design choices. I'll be sad if neopets changes completely into a children's website. :(


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... This makes me feel like I just stepped into Nick Jr. to play games. It's almost giving me a pathetic feel like I'm wasting my time on a kid's site. And I never, ever looked at Neopets as that childish before -- but now it's really hit me.

I don't want to sound like the complaining bafoon, but it makes me really uncomfortable. I mean a 'Kids' category!?. What are we on here?. What about the older teens and adults?.
I'm 17 and I suddenly feel like a 7 year old. <_<;

I guess when it comes down to it.. I have only one thing to say:


If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


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I hope they don't follow the same Playskool design when they finally decide to update Pet Central and Stuff.


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