Teach history, not lies.

[Nessa]

The Holocaust is different from a picture of the Marilyn Manson murders.

In what way would you say they were different?

Marilyn Manson hasn't killed anybody?

Just because it hasn't been proven that his 'music' is a elaborate plot to deceive the minds of thousands of mindless teenagers into acts of violence doesn't mean it isn't happening!

[Ixist]

The Holocaust is different from a picture of the Marilyn Manson murders.

In what way would you say they were different?

Marilyn Manson hasn't killed anybody?

Just because it hasn't been proven that his 'music' is a elaborate plot to deceive the minds of thousands of mindless teenagers into acts of violence doesn't mean it isn't happening!

Yeah, he's in cohoots with those folks in the Video Game industry!


See. Those are the eyes of a cold blooded KILLER!

[jellyoflight]

*nearly wees self*

*also nearly wees self*

I think we need to go to bladder strengthening lessons, Iggs.

[Morningstar]

*nearly wees self*

*also nearly wees self*

I think we need to go to bladder strengthening lessons, Iggs.

Oh, my. I laughed so hard I just about went wee as well. I love Marilyn Manson. Yep. Me, a mom who is older than old. Hahaha.

That being said, I really despise Charles Manson. Big difference between those two Mansons, you know?

Ixist, what game are those cold blooded killers from? They are so huggably cute.

[Ixist]

*nearly wees self*

*also nearly wees self*

I think we need to go to bladder strengthening lessons, Iggs.

Oh, my. I laughed so hard I just about went wee as well. I love Marilyn Manson. Yep. Me, a mom who is older than old. Hahaha.

That being said, I really despise Charles Manson. Big difference between those two Mansons, you know?

Ixist, what game are those cold blooded killers from? They are so huggably cute.

Resident Evil! They eat your face!

Nah, they're from Viva Pinata. That's a game where you can create pinatas, love and nurture them, protect them, and then bash their brains in with a big stick to get their sweet sweet fillings.

[shapu]

Oddly enough, that does sound a lot like a game that both Charles and Marilyn Manson would find pretty interesting.

[Jacob]

*nearly wees self*

*also nearly wees self*

I think we need to go to bladder strengthening lessons, Iggs.

Oh, my. I laughed so hard I just about went wee as well. I love Marilyn Manson. Yep. Me, a mom who is older than old. Hahaha.

That being said, I really despise Charles Manson. Big difference between those two Mansons, you know?

Ixist, what game are those cold blooded killers from? They are so huggably cute.

That is why Marilyn won the Celebrity Deathmatch against Charles.

[Morningstar]

Nah, they're from Viva Pinata. That's a game where you can create pinatas, love and nurture them, protect them, and then bash their brains in with a big stick to get their sweet sweet fillings.

Hahaha. That sounds like my kind of game.

Oddly enough, that does sound a lot like a game that both Charles and Marilyn Manson would find pretty interesting.

OMG, Shapu. Your wit is priceless. I do hope that someone in your real life appreciates it as much as I do. If not, they are missing out.

That is why Marilyn won the Celebrity Deathmatch against Charles.

And Jacob, you too. *lol* *lol*

Poor Fidds. This thread was supposed to be serious. And was for such a long time.

[Shoyru_Lover]

Have you guys heard of the Charles Dawin awards? They're awarded to people who improve the genetic pool by weeding themselves out of it...

Good thing your teacher has a lot of support.

[Morningstar]

Have you guys heard of the Charles Dawin awards? They're awarded to people who improve the genetic pool by weeding themselves out of it...

Good thing your teacher has a lot of support.

Ah, darn, Kymothy, I have a kid. So, I guess that award is too late for me, huh?

[Hil]

The Holocaust is different from a picture of the Marilyn Manson murders.

In what way would you say they were different?

Marilyn Manson hasn't killed anybody?

Just because it hasn't been proven that his 'music' is a elaborate plot to deceive the minds of thousands of mindless teenagers into acts of violence doesn't mean it isn't happening!

Yeah, he's in cohoots with those folks in the Video Game industry!

And South Park too! Darn those cartoon characters promoting senseless violence. THINK OF TEH CHILDRENS!

[Shakira_Shoyru]

Eh, they probably just wanted money and attention. If you can't handle disturbing images, then LEAVE THE ROOM WHEN YOU'RE GIVEN THE OPTION. And if you DO see something that is disturbing to you, deal with it, you don't cry home to mommy and daddy (especially in HIGH SCHOOL).

I get a bit annoyed when people sue for stupid things like this. History doesn't deserve to be cleaned up. Since when has any war been rainbows and butterflies?

Couldn't have said it any better.

[TDG]

Didn't you hear? Describing History was outlawed over four years ag- *hears sirens wailing*

Uh-oh!

Seriously though? Some of history's worst moments are the most amazing, emotional and interesting pieces.

Read Song of Napalm (By Bruce Weigl) or Dulce Et Decorum Est or Disabled (By Wilfred Owen). Watch The Green Mile, find pictures of Thích Quảng Đức, or the Holocaust.

From War, we derive some of the greatest stories and poetry and artwork. People who are so repressed by the horrible conditions around them channel their being into finding a way to express their emotions through amazing artforms.

Studying history offers insight into a reality we will (hopefully) never experience. It helps us solve things diplomatically, as opposed to repeating the mistakes of the past. Its fine and dandy for me to learn about the history of New Zealand, but eventually I'll hit the massacres of ANZAC day. Should I not be allowed to learn of the true conditions as somebody else who had every chance to walk away doesn't want to hear the details?

War, and murder and death and slavery are not pretty pictures. But History isn't that friendly if you look back on it. When TV programmes and movies and books and video games so often decrease the reality of death, why shouldn't a history class be allowed to be shown the true reality? That death is a horrible, horrible thing. That people like the BTK Killer, or events like the Holocaust did not have people simply fall out of sight, and then skip forward to a funeral. That in real life, deaths affect people around them drastically. One of the most powerful interviews I've ever seen was a Vietnam Veteran who was shakiong, and had dozens and dozens of bags and bottles of pills spread out before him. "This is my life now."

To understand, to even have a chance at fathoming, this horrible thought - well it can't be done with a text book spouting facts and figures. So its scary, and its horrible, and you may walk out of it feeling more squeamish - its life. Its history. Its real.

If you had every chance to walk away, you've got nobody else but yourself to blame if you lie in bed awake all night because of it. Heck, maybe you need it. We can't all live in a world of happy thoughts by ignoring the bad stuff. Ignorance is strength. War is peace and freedom is slavery.

[Shadow]

If the parents signed the form then they really can't do anything about it. They said it was ok for her to see those pictures...

[Morningstar]

Didn't you hear? Describing History was outlawed over four years ag- *hears sirens wailing*

Uh-oh!

Seriously though? Some of history's worst moments are the most amazing, emotional and interesting pieces.

Read Song of Napalm (By Bruce Weigl) or Dulce Et Decorum Est or Disabled (By Wilfred Owen). Watch The Green Mile, find pictures of Thích Quảng Đức, or the Holocaust.

From War, we derive some of the greatest stories and poetry and artwork. People who are so repressed by the horrible conditions around them channel their being into finding a way to express their emotions through amazing artforms.

Studying history offers insight into a reality we will (hopefully) never experience. It helps us solve things diplomatically, as opposed to repeating the mistakes of the past. Its fine and dandy for me to learn about the history of New Zealand, but eventually I'll hit the massacres of ANZAC day. Should I not be allowed to learn of the true conditions as somebody else who had every chance to walk away doesn't want to hear the details?

War, and murder and death and slavery are not pretty pictures. But History isn't that friendly if you look back on it. When TV programmes and movies and books and video games so often decrease the reality of death, why shouldn't a history class be allowed to be shown the true reality? That death is a horrible, horrible thing. That people like the BTK Killer, or events like the Holocaust did not have people simply fall out of sight, and then skip forward to a funeral. That in real life, deaths affect people around them drastically. One of the most powerful interviews I've ever seen was a Vietnam Veteran who was shakiong, and had dozens and dozens of bags and bottles of pills spread out before him. "This is my life now."

To understand, to even have a chance at fathoming, this horrible thought - well it can't be done with a text book spouting facts and figures. So its scary, and its horrible, and you may walk out of it feeling more squeamish - its life. Its history. Its real.

If you had every chance to walk away, you've got nobody else but yourself to blame if you lie in bed awake all night because of it. Heck, maybe you need it. We can't all live in a world of happy thoughts by ignoring the bad stuff. Ignorance is strength. War is peace and freedom is slavery.

OMG, TDG, you are an amazing speaker! Well, I guess writer is a better word. Phew, what you just wrote absolutely blew me away. To be able to say it so succinctly, and yet with such force and passion, wow. You have quite a gift there.